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#1 Dec 21 2008 at 1:48 AM Rating: Decent
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From what i can tell, this bow seems like a slightly better upgrade http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=38208&source=live&locale=enUS over my trustrike xbow http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=34674&source=live&locale=enUS even though I do lose some stamina and intellect. Am I going in the right direction?
#2 Dec 21 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Easy way to check: Try it out and see. Bows and xbows both use arrows, so no need to even pick up new ammo.


That said, you will be finding even better bows later on, and a lot of crossbows, so if your bow skill is low and you don't feel like leveling it right now, you can safely wait a bit. The stats and damage aren't enough higher to make it worth using instead if your current bow has a good scope on it, either. Since you're leveling, though, it can't hurt too much to play around with different weapons a bit--worst that will happen is that your pet will have much less trouble holding aggro. ;)

#3 Dec 21 2008 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea that's true, and plus I'm only 71 and there is a nice gun with the last rites quest that would give me some more damage/little better stats. Plus again at 71 my gear will change a few times I'm sure so i guess I can just hang out and replace my blues when I think it will work the best.

My biggest problem is that I lose so much agility/intellect for haste and I can't really figure out how haste works, can anyone point me in the right direction?
#4 Dec 21 2008 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Haste is almost useless for BM hunters, decent for MM, not sure about SV. All haste does for hunters is reduce the cast time of Steady Shot--BM hunters can get SS to less than the GCD with talents and quiver alone, which is why it's useless for them. MM and SV still need a bit of haste to get to that point, but should not sacrifice essential stats to get it, especially since their attack rotation isn't exactly a steady spam as it is for BM hunters. Unlike with casters, haste does not reduce our GCD. It's pretty much a filler stat.

I'm feeling too tired to go look up links right now, but I believe that's pretty much what anyone will tell you, minus the pretty numbers.
#5 Dec 21 2008 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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isyris wrote:
Haste is almost useless for BM hunters, decent for MM, not sure about SV. All haste does for hunters is reduce the cast time of Steady Shot--BM hunters can get SS to less than the GCD with talents and quiver alone, which is why it's useless for them. MM and SV still need a bit of haste to get to that point, but should not sacrifice essential stats to get it, especially since their attack rotation isn't exactly a steady spam as it is for BM hunters. Unlike with casters, haste does not reduce our GCD. It's pretty much a filler stat.

I'm feeling too tired to go look up links right now, but I believe that's pretty much what anyone will tell you, minus the pretty numbers.
Haste is not useless, it does increase your white dps. When you're softcapped with steady that's all it affects, so it's not an optimal stat, but it is not useless.

lol, haste hater ratedowns!

Edited, Dec 22nd 2008 9:24am by Xsarus
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#6 Dec 21 2008 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
isyris wrote:
Haste is almost useless for BM hunters, decent for MM, not sure about SV. All haste does for hunters is reduce the cast time of Steady Shot--BM hunters can get SS to less than the GCD with talents and quiver alone, which is why it's useless for them. MM and SV still need a bit of haste to get to that point, but should not sacrifice essential stats to get it, especially since their attack rotation isn't exactly a steady spam as it is for BM hunters. Unlike with casters, haste does not reduce our GCD. It's pretty much a filler stat.

I'm feeling too tired to go look up links right now, but I believe that's pretty much what anyone will tell you, minus the pretty numbers.
Haste is not useless, it does increase your white dps. When you're softcapped with steady that's all it affects, so it's not an optimal stat, but it is not useless.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2008 12:35am by Xsarus


Bolded the important bit for you...

Also, iirc, Haste does not transfer to our pets, making it even worse for BM hunters since about a third to half of our damage can reasonably be expected to come from pets. If I am incorrect here, that would make it *slightly* more decent, but still a pretty crappy stat for BM.

Like I said, it's a filler stat--it's not going to hurt anything, but stacking it is fairly pointless, and choosing it over more useful stats like hit, crit, and AP, or even int, would be just stupid.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2008 2:57am by isyris
#7 Dec 22 2008 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Many thanks for the input, one last question about haste, so when I get a quest reward that is "x" amount of armor, +40 stamina and increases haste by "X" I should probably just dump that at a vendor if the +stamina is less than my current armor along with my +agility and +intellect, right?
#8 Dec 22 2008 at 6:04 AM Rating: Good
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All other DPS stats (Hit>AP>crit>agi>int)being equal you take the item with more haste. It adds to DPS (in the form of faster auto shots as posted above).

As a hunter this is the only thing I care about, the +stam and armor issue is not relevant.
#9 Dec 22 2008 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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.oops

Edited, Dec 22nd 2008 9:23am by Xsarus
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#10 Dec 22 2008 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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isyris wrote:
All haste does for hunters is reduce the cast time of Steady Shot--BM hunters can get SS to less than the GCD with talents and quiver alone, which is why it's useless for them.
Hmm, seems you were saying it was completely useless. The problem when we start to say that haste is just useless is that people will pass up upgrades because they have haste. A 1% increase in haste is a 1% increase in our white damage.

It doesn't currently transfer to our pets, so no, it isn't a very good stat. It's perhaps 1/4 as effective as hit, and half as effective as crit. (that's actually lower if you have MS) The point is, I saw hunters in my guild passing on items that were huge upgrades just because they also had haste, which is silly.

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Like I said, it's a filler stat--it's not going to hurt anything, but stacking it is fairly pointless, and choosing it over more useful stats like hit, crit, and AP, or even int, would be just stupid.

I agree, but it's also not something to avoid.
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#11 Dec 22 2008 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
isyris wrote:
All haste does for hunters is reduce the cast time of Steady Shot--BM hunters can get SS to less than the GCD with talents and quiver alone, which is why it's useless for them.
Hmm, seems you were saying it was completely useless. The problem when we start to say that haste is just useless is that people will pass up upgrades because they have haste. A 1% increase in haste is a 1% increase in our white damage.

It doesn't currently transfer to our pets, so no, it isn't a very good stat. It's perhaps 1/4 as effective as hit, and half as effective as crit. (that's actually lower if you have MS) The point is, I saw hunters in my guild passing on items that were huge upgrades just because they also had haste, which is silly.

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Like I said, it's a filler stat--it's not going to hurt anything, but stacking it is fairly pointless, and choosing it over more useful stats like hit, crit, and AP, or even int, would be just stupid.

I agree, but it's also not something to avoid.


Oh, I can definitely see where you're coming from--I guess you just like to explain haste in a more positive light, whereas I don't think too highly of it. I kind of rely on people to have the common sense to know more stats = better, even if one isn't very good at all, and TBH I would much rather understate its usefulness, because I know far too many (BM) hunters who not only go for downgrades because "haste is good", but even use the +Haste scope. *shudders*

All other things being equal, an item with identical stats + haste would certainly be an upgrade. An item with lesser stats and haste though? I would say no, for BM in any case.
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