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Some Pally QuestionsFollow

#1 Dec 18 2008 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
My friend and I are both level 55 paladins and have been questing together, he Retribution and for now I'm a Protection pally. I really enjoy Protection but my guild has a desperate need for good healers so at 80 I will likely spec Holy. Anywho, I currently main tank a lot of raids with my guild on my Death Knight, and just find that groups in which I have a Holy Paladin healing me do not go as smoothly as when I have a resto Shaman or Druid. I'm here to find out why that is. Granted I don't see a ton of Holy Paladins, so the few I group with could have just been poor players which you'll see in every class and spec. Also I haven't really bumped into too many bad Resto Druids.

Are Resto Druids just easier to heal with? Is it differences in a players skill level that I'm seeing? Are Holy Paladins missing something that would make their role as healer easier? I'm just curious what it is that has given me this impression.

All that aside, I have some gear questions for Holy Paladins. What stats do they primarily seek out? I also notice a lot of them will go for Cloth gear as I imagine it gives them more of the stats they need. Are there cases where Plate is the better choice for Holy gear? Or will Cloth usually be better for healing PvE and Plate healing for PvP?
#2 Dec 18 2008 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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I can think of a couple of reasons why being healed by a paladin might be less comfortable than a shaman/druid. First is that in LK raid content, there's no downranking, and the mechanics encourage a HL-heavy healing rotation, as opposed to FoL spam which was the order of the day in BC. So you're going to be seeing your health bar flutter a lot more than if you were being healed by a class that can use/rely on HOT to avoid spikes. Second is that a lot of paladins aren't used to using their whole toolbox yet. Sacred shield, Bacon of Light, haste via Infusion and/or Judgements of the Pure - we're still hashing out the best uses of these on boards like this one, the general public must still be using trial and (mostly) error. Third is that proper gearing synergizes with new talents like Divine Plea, and improper gearing synergizes negatively - our naxx group (out of necessity) has three holy pallies healing, and even in fights with a lot of raid damage, our main tank healer goes OOM while I'm still at 2/3 or 3/4 on raid heals (she's at a much higher gear ilvl, and the only stat I compare is Int).

As for gear, clothadins still are looked down on. I'll wear mail, but only on the edges (gloves, boot, belt), but no leather, and breastplate and helmet must be plate. With LK, there's plenty of well-itemized plate, so I don't see a need to fight casters for their dresses. The only real weak slot to fill while gearing up for raids is wrists, but still there is a readily available plate option to fill your entire paper doll that will be at least tolerable.

Stats? Point for point, int > mp5 > SP > crit > haste (which means that, due to itemization budgets, mp5 is actually least desirable, but any mp5 you do get still works, and isn't wasted, you just don't seek it out anymore). The goal, as the mechanics currently stand, is to build up SP until you have enough raw power to do the job, then work toward a large mana pool (~30k) with a high holy crit (~40%), at which point you become a perpetual motion machine.
#3 Dec 18 2008 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
Honestly I do think other healing classes have it easier healing 5 man groups. More HoT's more AOE healing. Pallies have to work their ***** off in fights with big splash damage to the DPS.

But it gets a ton easier as a pallies gear scales up so far in my Heroic experience.

Edited, Dec 18th 2008 2:29pm by Shojindo
#4 Dec 18 2008 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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Priest and Druids are topping meters for heals right now. CoH is powerful and Druid healing with spellhaste is just plain sexy.


I think a big part of it (something I need to create a post on for itself if I ever get the time) is that a lot of paladins are stuck in a pre-3.0 mindset. There are any number of encounters from 5 man trash to 25 man raid bosses where smart use of Beacon will make an impossible fight into a joke. Holyshock should be a main part of your heal rotation as well.

I have seen holy pallies get crushed because they are in a pre-wotlk mindset where they single target heal and rely heavily on FoL spam. If you are still healing the same way you did pre-3.0 then you are a relic and a lot of the new content is going to pose serious problems for you and it will indeed seem like healing is skewed to Druid/Priests. However if you learn to hustle while still keeping that focus on the tank by being able to anticipate raid damage (like all good healers should) you can double if not triple your healing and push CoH and Druid hots on a number of occasions.


/shrug
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#5 Dec 19 2008 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
I agree Bod. You have to use all the new tools Blizz has given us. Then you have a fighting chance on some of the harder encounters like H Loken or the Gauntlet in H UP. But it's still more challenging for pally healers then for some of the other healing classes imo. I don't mind to much, it makes it a rush when you pull of a big win based on fast thinking and utilizing the new pally style.

Last night I went Ret so we could bring one of our fresh 80 resto druids to some heroics to get her ready for Nax. Now mind you my druid tank is way more geared now then when I started healing her and so is our DPS but man the resto druid had it easy compared to when I was trying to heal the same heroics on my fresh faced 80 holy pally. :D

Anyway it's all good. I think Holy pallies just scale a bit differently. Until you get a few key upgrades its pretty rough, then all of the sudden it kind of smooths out and you feel like you could heal anything again.
#6 Dec 19 2008 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
How much SP should a Pally have to be able to heal Heroics at 80? And what should his stats be for healing raids?
#7 Dec 19 2008 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
Ok I will say this. I did Naxx tonight for the first time as holy. In raids we are awesome. When the druid and the shammy healers where going OOM I was still at 3/4 mana. I healed 40%.......2.3k+HPS. I know my other healers need to gear up but I felt very strong tonight. Go Pallies! :D

Edited, Dec 19th 2008 10:32pm by Shojindo
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