Hello! I'm Bearbum from The Scryers server. I'm currently spec'd to resto as you may have seen in my other recent threads. Take a moment to check my gear and get ready to ridicule it. I'll give you a minute.
Ok now that you're ready and have half of your post written about why I didn't get the uber piece of armor that will completely decimate my gear list go ahead and read the rest below.
I've looked throughout all of the gear in 5 man dungeons (guild is not ready for Naxx and won't go on days I can play, suckage). I have not yet picked up my emblem gear but I do know about it. I've saved 150+ emblems for when I decide for certain my spec. From this we can assume I'll pick up the neck/chest/hands/belt(cloth) and probably a trinket.
My stats in case you don't want to look:
Unbuffed (no mark, no tree, no thorns, no elixirs/flasks/food/scrolls or even essence of wintergrasp)
13,877 health
15,246 mp
1543 healing (around 1700 in tree form)
321 / 829 mp5
A shaman in my guild said they self buffed they were at:
15k health
20k mp
1900 healing
400 mp5 (while casting)
and they had 2 epic items, same weapon and I think the other was the emblem neck.
It's changed a bit now but you get the picture. Must be some darn good buffs.
What am I missing? I'm after the head piece from heroic Drak as well as the ring but other than that I think I'm pretty much done with healing gear short of emblems and raiding. I haven't had many issues in healing heroic 5 mans other than DPS being poor and fights taking too long (more so with AoE damage in things like Loken and the blue dragon boss in Pinnacle).
The biggest problem I have had thus far in gearing up has been trying to avoid several annoyingly nearly useless stats : crit, hit, haste and to an extent mp/5 and concentrating on spirit, int, spellpower and enough stamina to stay alive. I have no problems wearing cloth (and wear 4 pieces currently) so by all means suggest those I may have missed if they are better. If I haven't missed much and druid stats are just way short of what other classes may have then please say so as well. I thought I was very well geared from heroics but now I'm starting to doubt myself as I don't see getting anywhere near the stats that were listed by the Shaman.
Thoughts?
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Why would you compare your druid stats to those from a shaman? Did you compare the shaman to a priest or holy pally?
Seriously... It's like comparing a feral druid in caster from to a warrior in full plate. Just don't do it and save yourself the trouble. All classes have different coefficients on their abilities, and some will benefit from a certain stat more than others.
Examples: Did you figure in that your Lifebloom stacks 3 times and still only costs the same amount of mana if you refresh it? How about your mp5 if you innervate yourself?
Edited, Dec 12th 2008 6:45pm by Kanngarnix
Seriously... It's like comparing a feral druid in caster from to a warrior in full plate. Just don't do it and save yourself the trouble. All classes have different coefficients on their abilities, and some will benefit from a certain stat more than others.
Examples: Did you figure in that your Lifebloom stacks 3 times and still only costs the same amount of mana if you refresh it? How about your mp5 if you innervate yourself?
Edited, Dec 12th 2008 6:45pm by Kanngarnix
Kannagarnix makes a good point in that you should never compare to another class' stats for your healing, but I also notice the shaman you link doesn't have nearly the stat figures you mentioned that I presume he self-quoted.
You said he counted his as "self buffed", if he's including totems and such you should make sure and remember that you'll get those bonuses too, so it's not such a big discrepancy. 'Self buffed' isn't usually a good way to measure between classes since each class gets different buffs, and that's what makes balanced raids important! It'd be silly to send 25 druids in as a raid, you want that mixture because every class offers a different aspect that rounds out your experience to make it more effective.
You said he counted his as "self buffed", if he's including totems and such you should make sure and remember that you'll get those bonuses too, so it's not such a big discrepancy. 'Self buffed' isn't usually a good way to measure between classes since each class gets different buffs, and that's what makes balanced raids important! It'd be silly to send 25 druids in as a raid, you want that mixture because every class offers a different aspect that rounds out your experience to make it more effective.
I know that all classes are different but it seemed odd that a shaman that has only been 80 a few days had what seemed to be better stats for healing than I do after busting my bum (har har, bearbum, get it?) for several weeks running heroics every chance I get and coming very close to having all items 'best in slot' before picking up emblem or raid gear.
I'm really sick of seeing so many items (cloth or leather) wasting item stats on crit / hit / mp5(spirit is better for resto druid) / haste when those stats do very little for me.
The "self buffed" doesn't help me with the totems if I end up not getting selected to do runs as the stats of the other person outweigh the stats that I would bring for a run. Honestly, given the stats listed I would bring the shaman instead of the druid in this example, depending, of course, on the rest of the setup that the raid provides(if you already have a resto shaman then 2 doesn't add as much as your first resto druid and so on).
Edited, Dec 12th 2008 2:33pm by SkibumOnShiva
I'm really sick of seeing so many items (cloth or leather) wasting item stats on crit / hit / mp5(spirit is better for resto druid) / haste when those stats do very little for me.
The "self buffed" doesn't help me with the totems if I end up not getting selected to do runs as the stats of the other person outweigh the stats that I would bring for a run. Honestly, given the stats listed I would bring the shaman instead of the druid in this example, depending, of course, on the rest of the setup that the raid provides(if you already have a resto shaman then 2 doesn't add as much as your first resto druid and so on).
Edited, Dec 12th 2008 2:33pm by SkibumOnShiva
SkibumOnShiva wrote:
I know that all classes are different but it seemed odd that a shaman that has only been 80 a few days had what seemed to be better stats for healing than I do after busting my bum (har har, bearbum, get it?) for several weeks running heroics every chance I get and coming very close to having all items 'best in slot' before picking up emblem or raid gear.
What difference does it make if their stats "look" better? If you have better gear, you'll heal better (I think shammies and druids are well-balanced against each other in this regard). And even with their inflated MP5 numbers, shammies always go OOM before trees because of class mechanics.
Who are you trying to run with that gives such a perfunctory look at stats as a basis for giving out raid spots?
Edited, Dec 12th 2008 1:50pm by Theophastus
Healing gear isn't lacking. You can utilize two types of armor cloth and leather.
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OP........your gear is probably 100 times better than mine.
I just dinged 80 this am and specced resto in mostly military greens maybe 2 or 3 blue items as i didnt do a single instance (spelled - putz) as i leveled.
So now my quest for gear commences.
Now if i can only find that PUG that doesnt mind a newberrific healer and the "occassional" <-- - we gonna die man!!.. "wipus maximus".
Any Kamikazees on Dentarg that are interested, and support my theory that trips to the graveyard help you build character..let me know. =)
I just dinged 80 this am and specced resto in mostly military greens maybe 2 or 3 blue items as i didnt do a single instance (spelled - putz) as i leveled.
So now my quest for gear commences.
Now if i can only find that PUG that doesnt mind a newberrific healer and the "occassional" <-- - we gonna die man!!.. "wipus maximus".
Any Kamikazees on Dentarg that are interested, and support my theory that trips to the graveyard help you build character..let me know. =)
I think at this point the only pieces that I can improve pre-raid would be the cloth bracers from Oculus and the cloth belt from emblems. Neither of which I'm pressed to pick up as I'm more after feral gear now.
The biggest irritation I have is that most of my "best" pieces are cloth so I have to get into parties with no other casters to avoid loot drama.
Edited, Dec 19th 2008 3:42pm by SkibumOnShiva
The biggest irritation I have is that most of my "best" pieces are cloth so I have to get into parties with no other casters to avoid loot drama.
Edited, Dec 19th 2008 3:42pm by SkibumOnShiva
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I know that all classes are different but it seemed odd that a shaman that has only been 80 a few days had what seemed to be better stats for healing than I do after busting my bum (har har, bearbum, get it?) for several weeks running heroics every chance I get and coming very close to having all items 'best in slot' before picking up emblem or raid gear.
Just to touch on this, i have a 70 priest in my guild who had been joining us on Kara "fun raids" for a week or 2 before she hit 70. The moment she did hit 70 tho she was in full kara epics. And in my case when i hit 80 a couple 80's in the guild had some stored up BoE gear they had gotten from heroics almost literally showered them upon me <_<;. Anyway... you can gear up fast.
But on the actual subject. Yes it's terrible to find decent gear. I believe i'm only using 2 pieces of leather now the rest is cloth. Alot of the leather spellcaster gear i see has no spirit at all on it. Look into rep rewards i saw alot of awesome start up gear there for healing and since you're running heroics already you'll get rep fast.
The only difference I see between cloth and leather is that if there is a cloth user in the party I should probably pass it to them if they want it. I've managed to hit exalted with all of the outland tabard reps and have a stack of over 300 emblems. I'm not impressed by T7 gear so I haven't picked it up yet (I may, I'm undecided).
I switched to feral and picked up a shaman friend who has just respec'd to resto. It may just be that he was fairly new but he had a much more difficult time healing fights than I did with similar geared tanks (I'm 28k armor, 31k health, 33% dodge) but the rest of the party was not the same so it's hard to tell.
What I have noticed is that DPS matters a LOT more now. Fights need to drop a mob or two quickly before the healer runs into mana issues. AoE damage is a bit more difficult for a druid to pick up but not nearly as bad as a paladin I'm sure.
I can do any heroic with a competent group and with a good group I don't even need to rest. I managed heroic Halls of Lightning and never had to rest for MP with a quick moving group.
I also managed to do Patchwerk first kill with a guild that is not geared as well as I am (tanks uncrittable, looked like all the right gear but I saw a lot of quest rewards and non 80 gear). We did it with 2 healers and I think the recount may have been wrong as it showed me as 20% higher than the other healer (53% vs 33%). It was a shaman so part of that may have been ES proc'ing off the tank? Either way it was fun.
I switched to feral and picked up a shaman friend who has just respec'd to resto. It may just be that he was fairly new but he had a much more difficult time healing fights than I did with similar geared tanks (I'm 28k armor, 31k health, 33% dodge) but the rest of the party was not the same so it's hard to tell.
What I have noticed is that DPS matters a LOT more now. Fights need to drop a mob or two quickly before the healer runs into mana issues. AoE damage is a bit more difficult for a druid to pick up but not nearly as bad as a paladin I'm sure.
I can do any heroic with a competent group and with a good group I don't even need to rest. I managed heroic Halls of Lightning and never had to rest for MP with a quick moving group.
I also managed to do Patchwerk first kill with a guild that is not geared as well as I am (tanks uncrittable, looked like all the right gear but I saw a lot of quest rewards and non 80 gear). We did it with 2 healers and I think the recount may have been wrong as it showed me as 20% higher than the other healer (53% vs 33%). It was a shaman so part of that may have been ES proc'ing off the tank? Either way it was fun.
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