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DPS-wise this looks really weak, but the Rank8 Feint giving you a brief AoE protection can be invaluable in certain situations. When **** hits the fan it's just another way for Rogue to stay in the fight a little longer (I still probably wont use it though). The Fan of Knives cooldown being removed just feels like "fun" rather than "useful"

It's kind of useful if you're staying in the nova for Loken. But yeah, it's a very situational ability - but at least it has some use now.

Even at 50% incoming damage reduction, it's mostly useless. Taking ANY otherwise avoidable damage from AOE is bad, bad, bad if only because it will divert healer attention and waste raid resources. That 6 seconds thing isn't long enough to use it for much. They're just trying to give us an "ohsh" button to use while we're running out of whatever... but Feint? Really?? I don't have it anywhere near my action bar. I think I used to use it a couple of times when I ran with this one terrible tank...... o.O

The change to FoK leaves me completely non-plussed. The cooldown has nothing to do with it's low value in raid, the Energy cost does. Not to mention the resource-to-damage ratio is pathetic. A couple FoKs are kitten-weak compared to even the most mediocre AoE abilities of other classes. It's a neat animation and a tiny utility at the very onset of combat when used after TotT. But... meh.

Again, I'm not really complaining so much as pointing out why these two changes are so meaningless as to be laughable.

the fok change for mutilate is kinda eh ok. I mean if you have enough crit, and there are enough mobs you're gonna get a lot of energy back from the attack. I used it last night in COT and got nearly ALL of the energy back. but its still lack luster.

Mental's probably right. Maybe they're "happy enough" with us right now to focus on other stuff that needed the attention (I mean, hunters? really?) ;)

My reaction to seeing the changes is really summed up by "non-plussed." Just... meh. Guess I was hoping for just a little something to help with out struggling raid DPS. /shrug

We can't say that they're final for 3.0.8 Live of course, but they're posting 'em. So I'm guessing probably close.

Well I must say Hunters needed the nerf, My IRL friend who is a hunter, Is a keyboard turner, a clicker and doesnt use a single macro is usually top of damage meters in heroics he runs, i havent run with him yet.

I was hoping to see a bit more out of rogues this patch, Im not looking for EZ mode, i remember how mages could do kara badge runs and double everyone elses total damage just because of spec, and rogues COULD be very average, but with proper itemization, gemming, enchanting, maths, mechanichs and rotation research, we could be awesome dps. I loved that i was considered invaluable dps, because i knew my class mechanics backwards, a lot of which was learnt from alla, EJ and other sources, it saddens me to know that my huntard friend can outdps me by being a clicker.

Rogues are dps, purely and simple. we dont get brought because of raid buffs, we get brought because we can put numbers on the table, i know bliz want raids to take a player not his/her class, but thats hardly the fact with huntard superiority as it is.

/endQQ

is your brother a skill clicker too? or does he use the odd macro and keybind? thats more of the concearn to me than just the keyboard turning

and yes i know that no class is brought along for DPS anymore, but what i was talking about, is that rogues are never brought to heal (bandages anyone?), and only in very famous certain cases were they brought along to tank, Blizz have done a good thing by not making certain classes mandatory in raids, but in a class that has no option in raids other than dps and limited CC, it would be nice to have the potential to have top dps (gear and skill dependent), without being less usefull than every other average dps class.

My point was that im sure your brother has a bit more skill than my friend, and that my friend does way too much damage for what his skill entails, and that im happy hunters got nerfed, and i hope they look into rogue dps next patch

Keyboard turning and clicking have nothing to do with skill. Some of the top PVE guilds have a handful of people that play that way among them, and some of the best PVPers out there do it as well.

People always talk down on keyboard turners, when the fact is it takes alot of skill to be good at and there are some out there that are just straight up better at this game then the people talking down on them.

As far as us not getting much, I said they would need to eventually do that to Fan, but I agree, the energy cost is ludicrous. I've noticed that when I get a new upgrade, my dps doesn't really go anywhere. But give that piece of gear to someone else, and I need 2-3 pieces to catch up. They are doing alot to tone down hunters, which is lame since I was just going to level one to reroll maybe (guess i'll just do war now). Eventually hopefully they'll fix something, just wonder if it's going to be pre ulduar at this point.

I have never seen a video of a 2k+ arena rogue key-turn. Maybe I missed a few videos?

Key-turning as ranged can work out just fine but that doesn't of necessity make it "better." Being more highly mobile is the added value of mouse turning and that mobility is vital in certain "what's a void zone" type situations.

I'm only mentioning it for the newer players to the class who may be reading this. Key-turning as a rogue is generally not as useful as mouse-turning for either PvE or PvP.

I know there are good hunters and ranged classes that keyboard turn, the bigger sin in my opinion is clicking abilities, just clicking steady shot, aimed shot, arcane shot and the major cooldowns as they come up, thats definitely not skill, in one fight in some 70 raid, he asked me to take over while he goes to the bathroom, i said i dont know how to play a hunter, and he said, just keep spamming steady shot and arcane shot, and hit the trinket every 2 mins. the boss went down, he came back and no one in the raid was any the wiser, I just think his spot in the raid could go to someone more deserving thats all