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#1 Dec 11 2008 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
This is from a blue post, off of MMO-Champion.com

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Demonic Knowledge now Increases your spell damage by an amount equal to 3/6/9% of the total of your active demon's Stamina plus Intellect (down from 4/8/12%).
Demonic Tactics now Increases melee and spell critical strike chance for you and your summoned demon by 1/2/3/4/5%. (Down from 2/4/6/8/10%)


WTF? This is the second time they raped this tree. Why?
#2 Dec 11 2008 at 9:35 AM Rating: Default
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Well, of the three specs, in a raid, Demo is the easiest to play. It should put out less damage than the more complicated "rotations." Makes perfect sense.
#3 Dec 11 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Default
Easiest for whom? Affliction looks pretty easy to me. DOT DOT run lol.
#4 Dec 11 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Affliction is far from DoT DoT run, you have to time all your DoTs, make sure none of them are clipped and are always up, and keep Haunt going. It's still not as hard as people make it sound, but is definitely more difficult than Demo.

I mean seriously, look at all the rotations:

Aff:
SB > Haunt > Curse > UA > Corr > SiLi > Immo > Haunt > SB refresh DoTs and keep Haunt Up

Destro:
Curse > Corr > Immo > Chaos Bolt > Incin x? > Timing a Conflag > cast Chaos Bolt Whenever it's up, Refresh DoTs as needed

Demo:
Curse > Corr > Immo > SB/Incin(depending on Spec) refresh DoTs


Edited, Dec 11th 2008 12:57pm by Lathais


As I was doing some work I thought about a better way to say this.

Ok, Demo has 3 DoTs, CoA, Corr and Immo, and one Nuke, either SB or Incin.

Affliction has all of that, plus SiLi, UA, and Haunt.

Destro has all that we have, plus Conflag timing and Chaos Bolt.

So Demo has 4 spells to cast, Destro 6 and Affliction 7.

Edited, Dec 11th 2008 1:14pm by Lathais
#5 Dec 11 2008 at 1:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, it's all moot now anyway.

Ghostcrawler wrote:
There are some patch notes that reference nerfs to Demonic Tactics and Demonic Knowledge.

We are NOT making those changes.


Source: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13393781472&sid=1
#6 Dec 12 2008 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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There are some patch notes that reference nerfs to Demonic Tactics and Demonic Knowledge. We are NOT making those changes.

Once again, Blizzard is a tease.
I would not rest too soon, because you never know when they will take another swing, and that post says they are still looking into warlocks.

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SB > Haunt > Curse > UA > Corr > SiLi > Immo > Haunt > SB refresh DoTs and keep Haunt Up.

I've seen a lot of drain-tanking, and this could be done with Demonology or Affliction, which is different than that rotation. I'd also say that SL is not meant to be a DPS spell, but something you add to keep yourself alive; it's better than DL because it saves time.
I have 4 DOT, plus a curse, then the muke, and keep them all stacked during a long fight. It's really not difficult to manage this and a minion, since most of them are instant. As I mentioned, my DPS goes way down during short fights if I were to bother with a full rotation, which is where I can see your point. But, in longer fights, a full rotation shines more.
#7 Dec 17 2008 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
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Lathais wrote:
Affliction is far from DoT DoT run, you have to time all your DoTs, make sure none of them are clipped and are always up, and keep Haunt going. It's still not as hard as people make it sound, but is definitely more difficult than Demo.

I mean seriously, look at all the rotations:

Aff:
SB > Haunt > Curse > UA > Corr > SiLi > Immo > Haunt > SB refresh DoTs and keep Haunt Up

Destro:
Curse > Corr > Immo > Chaos Bolt > Incin x? > Timing a Conflag > cast Chaos Bolt Whenever it's up, Refresh DoTs as needed

Demo:
Curse > Corr > Immo > SB/Incin(depending on Spec) refresh DoTs


Edited, Dec 11th 2008 12:57pm by Lathais


As I was doing some work I thought about a better way to say this.

Ok, Demo has 3 DoTs, CoA, Corr and Immo, and one Nuke, either SB or Incin.

Affliction has all of that, plus SiLi, UA, and Haunt.

Destro has all that we have, plus Conflag timing and Chaos Bolt.

So Demo has 4 spells to cast, Destro 6 and Affliction 7.

Edited, Dec 11th 2008 1:14pm by Lathais


You forgot that as Demo you need to cast demo empower and meta, assuming they have it, to maximize DPS. Adding in those they all have roughly 6-7 spells to cast. Plus simply looking at rotations does not necessarily show which is the most complex. For instance Demo use to be very difficult even though the rotation was quite simple, because there was a lot of micromanaging of pets involved and to an extent there still is some involved.
#8 Dec 18 2008 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Whatever spec you play the rotation is more complicated than shadowbolt spam which, even with some of the downfalls that come with it, makes me a happy warlock. While my damage may be lower compared to other in a raid I've had more fun playing every spec than I did in the "mandatory" 21/40 days.
#9 Dec 18 2008 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Demonic Empowerment can be macroed into your main nuke. If it's not ready, it will just ignore it. So that hardly counts. Meta, is like a trinket, so again, hardly counts. It's a CD ability, and honestly, after testing with it, it's hardly worth it.

I have played all but Destro in raids, and played destro in Heroics for a bit. So I have actually played with all 3 rotations. Trust me, Affliction is the hardest to get right.

Edited, Dec 18th 2008 10:33am by Lathais
#10 Jan 18 2009 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
i agree with lath lol cause if u dont time your dots right ur lowering your dps and if ur timing the sb filler in wrong and forgeting about dots ect your ******** dps up again lol its a pain in the *** to et your rotations right while maintaing high dot uptime
#11 Jan 20 2009 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
sederix wrote:
WTF? This is the second time they raped this tree. Why?

I am of the firm belief that unwarranted QQ's like this should be on the o-boards instead of here. Then they will get the attention (and laughs) that they deserve.
#12 Jan 21 2009 at 9:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Lathais wrote:
Demonic Empowerment can be macroed into your main nuke. If it's not ready, it will just ignore it. So that hardly counts. Meta, is like a trinket, so again, hardly counts. It's a CD ability, and honestly, after testing with it, it's hardly worth it.

I have played all but Destro in raids, and played destro in Heroics for a bit. So I have actually played with all 3 rotations. Trust me, Affliction is the hardest to get right.


I agree with this comment. I just dinged 80 so I don't have any WotLK experience as of yet, however I was raiding for a lot of BC. My DoT uptime was close to double every other Affliction lock I have ever met and I did better damage too. I agree, it's not that hard but many players still can't maintain it. Demo? I've never seen a good Demo lock that actually micros their pet. Destro? lolbolt or roflinerate. They all told me "I play Destro because it's easier then Afflic."
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