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#1 Dec 09 2008 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Provided I intended on remaining the same faction, does anyone think that if I asked a GM this would be allowed? Considering how DK starts out (no starting city and initial reputation gains from early starter zone quests) I am wondering if this would be permitted if I asked.

Has anyone had any experience with this? Are race change requests just summarily rejected regardless of the circumstances?
#2 Dec 09 2008 at 12:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Not gonna happen.
#3 Dec 09 2008 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Gaudion wrote:
Not gonna happen.
#4 Dec 09 2008 at 1:33 AM Rating: Good
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Gaudion wrote:
Not gonna happen.


.. and frankly, I'm surprised you're even asking!
#5 Dec 09 2008 at 4:04 AM Rating: Good
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Why don't you just reroll? It takes no time at all to level a DK.

The others are right. What you wish for is never going to happen.
#6 Dec 09 2008 at 5:16 AM Rating: Good
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Krago the Mighty wrote:
The others are right. What you wish for is never going to happen.


Until someone figures out there's a lot of money to be made that way, and from that day on, Eurasia will always have been at war with Oceania.
#7 Dec 09 2008 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
Well we thought changing your name would be impossible at one point too. If they ever do have the ability to change race (which would ***** a lot of in-game things up, so is doubtful) it will cost you money to do so.
#8 Dec 09 2008 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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The issue here is really that changing your race doesn't "translate" like changing your name does. When you change your name, new text pops up above your head. If you changed your race, you'd literally be creating an entirely new avatar. How would that work? Would features from one race forge appearance in another? (Female NE face marking X = Dwarf beard Y?)

There'll never be race changes. If it really comes down to it, Blizzard will just let you re-create your avatar.
#9 Dec 09 2008 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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Gaudion wrote:
The issue here is really that changing your race doesn't "translate" like changing your name does. When you change your name, new text pops up above your head. If you changed your race, you'd literally be creating an entirely new avatar. How would that work? Would features from one race forge appearance in another? (Female NE face marking X = Dwarf beard Y?)

There'll never be race changes. If it really comes down to it, Blizzard will just let you re-create your avatar.


That's just nitpicking on the mechanism, TBH. Expand the barbershop to also pick skin colour and you have the mechanism you need to enable race and sex change.

Come to think of it: real money fee + in-game money sink = double bingo.

Gonna be weird on RP servers though when Geezer the aging, white-bearded gnome suddenly walks around as a hot young draenei goatwoman.

EDIT: so we'd actually get real money fee for race change + in game money sink + optional paid name change. Be afraid of the enterprising marketroid. It's gonna happen sooner or later.


Edited, Dec 9th 2008 4:48pm by Alastaironsiren
#10 Dec 09 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
I could see sex, that's probably just a flag. But race does all sorts of things. Let's say you're orc and want to change to blood elf. Well you're riding a wolf which is fine for an orc, but to ride a wolf as a blood elf you'd need exalted with ORG. So what would they do?

Think about changing from undead to Tauren. You have skeletal horses and other mounts which are fine for your current race, but your new one can't use them. What should Blizzard do?

There are WAAAAY too many technical things that would have to change to be able to let you switch races. Plus, as I said before, to change stuff, even if you COULD, Blizzard would charge you REAL money, not in-game gold at a shop.
#11 Dec 09 2008 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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Dilbrt wrote:
I could see sex, that's probably just a flag. But race does all sorts of things. Let's say you're orc and want to change to blood elf. Well you're riding a wolf which is fine for an orc, but to ride a wolf as a blood elf you'd need exalted with ORG. So what would they do?

Think about changing from undead to Tauren. You have skeletal horses and other mounts which are fine for your current race, but your new one can't use them. What should Blizzard do?


Precisely, and before anyone comes up with "But DK are pretty much the same, rep wise, mount wise, etc" ... the answer to that being, you can't allow race changes for dk's and not for anyone else.

All of this is pretty moot though, the OP is asking if ticketing a GM would get his race changed, and regardless of technical mechanics, there's no hope in hell that's going to happen.
#12 Dec 09 2008 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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robertlofthouse wrote:


All of this is pretty moot though, the OP is asking if ticketing a GM would get his race changed, and regardless of technical mechanics, there's no hope in hell that's going to happen.


Actually he is asking "Requesting a Race Change: Is It Possible?"

The answer is yes, it is possible to ask for a race change :P
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#13 Dec 09 2008 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Actually he is asking "Requesting a Race Change: Is It Possible?"

The answer is yes, it is possible to ask for a race change :P


Touché

Edited, Dec 9th 2008 7:58pm by robertlofthouse
#14 Dec 09 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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If Michael Jackson can do it so can you!
#15 Dec 09 2008 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for your replies, it is pretty much as I suspected that it would never be allowed. I figured though asking the DK community about it would be best since it is regarding my DK which, regardless of race, all start out the same exact way. That's mainly why I thought it might be an exception for this particular class.

As for the technical aspects behind why it couldn't be done, I certainly wouldn't have thought of that being difficult at all. I mean, at the end of the day it's all just computer code, right?
#16 Dec 09 2008 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Tavarde wrote:
As for the technical aspects behind why it couldn't be done, I certainly wouldn't have thought of that being difficult at all. I mean, at the end of the day it's all just computer code, right?


No. This is why the average person thinks changes in code are easy. It's much easier said than done. Even the smallest of things can be harder than originally thought.

A couple of similar examples:

1. Think of it like installing an after market stereo in your car. It sounds pretty simple. Can't you just pull out the old one and put in the new? Well that depends on the size and style of what you want to put in. What about door speakers that are 1" larger than the originals? You'd have to do some cutting and adjustments to the door. What about a sub? What if you wanted a changer? A hard drive? A dvd player with a drop down screen? It sounds easy but can get a bit complicated once you really get into it.

2. Think about it like remodeling your home. You can't just randomly tear down walls and make one big giant room. If people did that then they're roof would fall in. You have to look at your current plan for foundation, bearing walls, etc. A simple remodel of adding a closet to a room or turning two small rooms into one big one can be a bigger job than expected. What about electrical, plumbing, etc? There's more too it than just tearing down a wall and putting up a new one.

3. Think about it like tricking out your car or truck. You can't just place parts wherever. You can't just stick the fastest and biggest motor in any car or truck. What if it doesn't fit? What about tires, rims? Turn a car into a limo? Turn a truck into a monster truck? It's not as easy as it makes it sound to a normal person, "just make it bigger", "just make it longer". It takes a lot more work than that.

These are similar examples as to why it's not as easy as it sounds. I would put code at the top of this list. Even the smallest of changes or fixes can break something else. It can vary a lot based on whoever first created the code and anyone else who has made their own adjustments. Code can quickly and easily get sloppy. Changing something that sounds like a minor change can have a dramatic effect. Like was mentioned there's more connected to race than just the model, there's racials, reputation, mounts (not all races can use all the mounts), etc. It's not a simple matter of flipping a switch.

#17 Dec 11 2008 at 3:04 AM Rating: Good
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Just as a side note, sex change is now possible in the game, I'm quite certain that it's only a matter of time until race gets added.
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#18 Dec 11 2008 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
Alastaironsiren wrote:
Just as a side note, sex change is now possible in the game, I'm quite certain that it's only a matter of time until race gets added.
http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?tag=CRCFAQ

Sex got added and can be allowed because it's a purely cosmetic difference. Race, on the other hand, is linked to many in-game mechanics and variables so they won't allow that. At least, not without changing many mechanics within the game (such as mounts that some races can use but not others within the same faction, etc).
#19 Dec 11 2008 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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Doesn't mean it won't happen if someone figures there's money to be made that way.

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(such as mounts that some races can use but not others within the same faction, etc).


I may be a loony but look at the PTR 3.0.8 notes:
Racial restrictions on mounts have now been lifted. Night elves on mechanostriders? Tauren on raptors? You’re not seeing things.

Which pretty much only leaves racials off the table.

Edited, Dec 11th 2008 8:10pm by Alastaironsiren
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