What is going on. Lol Sorry for that. But I just lost a friend tonight over this. >< I'm so mad I could break my keyboard. Anyways we were going to raid kara. Nothing new to me. Raided Kara many times. My guild leader is prot warrior while another was prot pally. I've always known warriors to be main tanks usually. Am I wrong?
What happened is I'm assistant raid leader and we were discussing who was going to tank. Before I could get a word out the paladin shot his mouth off (My friend btw). Said prot pally's are the new tanks and that he should main tank. I got upset and said this is the warriors first raid. Were discussing the bosses ect. ect....The paladin screamed at the top of his lungs almost breaking my speakers and said fine if you won't let me main tank then I'll go find a guild who will and shouted "Sound is off....Sound is off!".
I couldn't speak. I was shocked at what had happened. Are prot pally's better suited for main tanking now then warrior? I've been playing from day one. Guess I'll never let it down that warriors imo are better tanks then paladins....hands down. Unless someone can prove me wrong then my opinion will not change. :D
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Don't even bother worrying about this drama queen's outburst. Quarrel about which class is best MT had been going on for very long time and probably won't be settled anytime soon.
Being MT in Raid is usually a matter of vote of confidence among guild. I have seen pally, druid and warr MT. Haven't got pleasure to raid with DK tank yet:) It is usually most respected position in raid, MT's are best geared and usually most experienced tanks in guild No self respecting raiding guild would change their MT just because some classes gained new abilities.
Unless one class would get completely nerfed to oblivion by Blizz but I don't think that's the case in WOTLK.
My word of advice? Forget that guy, if he leaves guild because they didn't allow him to be MT( I assume you have usual MT, not a newbie that just got pugged to raid), then it's a good riddance imho.
Being MT in Raid is usually a matter of vote of confidence among guild. I have seen pally, druid and warr MT. Haven't got pleasure to raid with DK tank yet:) It is usually most respected position in raid, MT's are best geared and usually most experienced tanks in guild No self respecting raiding guild would change their MT just because some classes gained new abilities.
Unless one class would get completely nerfed to oblivion by Blizz but I don't think that's the case in WOTLK.
My word of advice? Forget that guy, if he leaves guild because they didn't allow him to be MT( I assume you have usual MT, not a newbie that just got pugged to raid), then it's a good riddance imho.
Pretty much what the poster above me said. That person is a drama queen and is best that you're no longer 'friends' with them, because if they're going to argue with you about something so mundane, then it's not worth the trouble imo.
As for Prot pallies tanking and MTs, it's really all situational. For example, pallies are better to tank something like, Shattered Halls, than a warrior tank. As for kara, we usually switch it up from time to time between our guild's MT (which is a warrior), and our pally tank.
Tanking is tanking. No matter what type of tank you are, you need to know how to tank and how to keep the group alive, otherwise you're an aweful tank.
As for Prot pallies tanking and MTs, it's really all situational. For example, pallies are better to tank something like, Shattered Halls, than a warrior tank. As for kara, we usually switch it up from time to time between our guild's MT (which is a warrior), and our pally tank.
Tanking is tanking. No matter what type of tank you are, you need to know how to tank and how to keep the group alive, otherwise you're an aweful tank.
There's no reason to take a warrior over a paladin. There's no reason to take a paladin over a warrior. Same with DKs and Druids. That of course is with all other things being equal, gear, player skills, etc.
I know before some groups would prefer a pally tank for multiple mobs and warriors for single targets, etc. That is no longer the case and Blizzard is making it so it's not the class you're bringing but the player. You should be able to at any point trade out any of the tank classes for any other tank class. They're doing the same with dps. It's a good idea and it means if you don't have a certain class for a position you can still group/raid.
I know before some groups would prefer a pally tank for multiple mobs and warriors for single targets, etc. That is no longer the case and Blizzard is making it so it's not the class you're bringing but the player. You should be able to at any point trade out any of the tank classes for any other tank class. They're doing the same with dps. It's a good idea and it means if you don't have a certain class for a position you can still group/raid.
Thanks for clearing that up. Yes we have right now 5 MT's. 2 pally's, 2 Warriors, and a druid. Usually have more when the holy pally's put on there tank set and spec prot. Before he screamed I was trying to tell him that it didn't matter who tanked. We were just discussing things before deciding when to raid kara.
I'm glad that pompus %ss is gone. Some are quite upset that he would act like that after what we did for him. If he really wanted to point fingers. It was the guild who got him the gear he has. If it wasn't for raiding he wouldn't have equipped what he has now. I've seen way better geared pally's then him. You could share gold making tips with him and his way would always have to top your own. Makes you want to cut out his tongue...wait we type in this game don't we....(reverses that comment) cut off his fingers. Again thanks for clearing that up. And yes I'm glad he's gone. Though he robbed guild vault before leaving but meh who cares imo.
I'm glad that pompus %ss is gone. Some are quite upset that he would act like that after what we did for him. If he really wanted to point fingers. It was the guild who got him the gear he has. If it wasn't for raiding he wouldn't have equipped what he has now. I've seen way better geared pally's then him. You could share gold making tips with him and his way would always have to top your own. Makes you want to cut out his tongue...wait we type in this game don't we....(reverses that comment) cut off his fingers. Again thanks for clearing that up. And yes I'm glad he's gone. Though he robbed guild vault before leaving but meh who cares imo.
Player > Class
Period.
Good tanks come from good players, not classes. Yes even SPriests can tank.
Period.
Good tanks come from good players, not classes. Yes even SPriests can tank.
for each boss there has to be considered which tank is the most suitable.. its not a general thing.
also you should try for the "easier" fights to let the tanks who dont get to tank as much get a chance.. keeps people happy and feel usefull if they are not just used to tank trash and stuff.. not that i would accept any drama like that over it, but think of it as if you were forced to play outside your spec every raid.. its annoying.
Buzak
also you should try for the "easier" fights to let the tanks who dont get to tank as much get a chance.. keeps people happy and feel usefull if they are not just used to tank trash and stuff.. not that i would accept any drama like that over it, but think of it as if you were forced to play outside your spec every raid.. its annoying.
Buzak
devioususer wrote:
Player > Class
Period.
Good tanks come from good players, not classes. Yes even SPriests can tank.
Period.
Good tanks come from good players, not classes. Yes even SPriests can tank.
+1 - From what I have read, blizzard has redesigned everything (well not really redesigned) but set it up, so you actually need Skill to be good at your class.
so just because joe smoe over here has the same tanking gear as you, does not mean he will out tank you, or out perform you.
It's based on how well you know and can play your class.
From what I have seen all Teir (plate) peices (tanking) all have the same stats on them for all the class's (minus the set bonus).
So all tanks are on equal playing fields.. It just how you play it.
Buzak wrote:
for each boss there has to be considered which tank is the most suitable.. its not a general thing.
also you should try for the "easier" fights to let the tanks who dont get to tank as much get a chance.. keeps people happy and feel usefull if they are not just used to tank trash and stuff.. not that i would accept any drama like that over it, but think of it as if you were forced to play outside your spec every raid.. its annoying.
Buzak
also you should try for the "easier" fights to let the tanks who dont get to tank as much get a chance.. keeps people happy and feel usefull if they are not just used to tank trash and stuff.. not that i would accept any drama like that over it, but think of it as if you were forced to play outside your spec every raid.. its annoying.
Buzak
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but think of it as if you were forced to play outside your spec every raid
Then what are you doing as a tank spec in a raid that doesn't need a tank?
It's not like you need to have 2 healers 2 tanks and 1 dps for heroics. And then asking one tank and a healer to try to dps... You just don't bring them along to begin with, you bring people who like the spec they have and are needed for the role in the raid.
Back in the days, MC etc..., you could bring extra tanks and heals on most fights. Sometimes you needed that extra control on fights, nobody had the rep grind gear or decent quest items you got from BC and WotLK.
I absolutely love tanking. But damnit I also have another set of gear for Pure PvE DPS when the time comes when I don't get to tank (or am just plain to hung over to tank). We have dailies and other means to respec anytime we really want or need to.
When we get to have 2 talent specs at the same time (not really, but you can change your spec without having to pay $$$$$ or go to a major city) this will be waaaaay less of a problem or IMHO an issue at all. Your fury war or arms war can 'respec' in instance, put on that tank gear and tank like the champ they are.
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