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Even though I use to love Ambush, I have to say it's probably the most pointless ability in my ******* right now (except perhaps feint). We've talked about it before; the pretty number rule only works when you're specced for it, I think. At the moment my eviscerate crits top my ambush crits by at least 2000 damage.

When somebody says it scales terribly, I'd go as far as to say that's an understatement. I'm actually starting to wonder if it scales at all, as horrible as the ability now is.

Lose the sub crap. Pick one weapon specialization or the other. If you have swords go swords. If you have daggers go close quarters. Or grab a fist main hand and a fast off hand dagger. Why don't you have 5/5 precision? There's no reason not to. Imp kick? No.

The other question is if you're on a pvp server. Link your armory.

For your current leveling take this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eZMgVbxbxoru0xRtx


From there get 2/2 unfair advantage and keep going up the *** tree.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhe00bZMgVbxbxoru0gRtx


At 80 switch to more group/raid friendly spec:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eb0xZMgVbxbxoru0xRtx

That's where you drop imp evis and unfair advantage and take up blood splatter and lethality. You'll get better dps this way.


For weapons

(fist/dagger) hard hitting fist in your main hand and fast dagger in your offhand. Use this if you're using close quarters combat.
(sword/sword) hard hitting sword in main hand and fast sword in offhand. Drop close quarters and take up sword specialization with this combo.



My rogue is currently level 76: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eitrigg&n=Sicaria

Notice my offhand sword? What's sad is your dagger is slower than my sword. Your hit is low but 5/5 precision should bring that up nicely. For the most part leveling isn't a huge deal. Hit is important for combat spec. Also don't forget to put wound poison on both weapons. Once in a while I'll afk and forget to reapply while soloing. I notice a huge drop in my dps and how much slower mobs drop when I don't have poisons up.

Open with CS and start Slice 'n dice a.s.a.p. I usually CS>SND>SS a bit for combo points > EVIS or KS depending on mobs health and cooldowns.


You really don't need to change much just a few misplaced talents here and there and stick to a weapon type based on that, or respec based on what weapons you want to use. From my experience so far in WoTLK it looks like it'll be easier to get a good fist/dagger combo than a sword/sword from quest rewards. Just remember hard/fast.

If you're going to stick with daggers then I would still go with a hard hitting fist in the mainhand.

If you want two daggers I would go with a mut build instead of combat.

Combat is all about having a high average damage main-hand (not DPS, average hit) combined with fastest available off-hand. Fists are generally much better itemized for your main-hand compared to daggers (which have lower average damage by proxy). If you're going with Close Quarters it's best to go hard-hitting fist main, fast dagger off. Good luck!

In Response to : "And, no offense, I honestly don't understand the attachment that many have to Sub-Daggers. Backstab (and Ambush) are both weak at later levels, their damage scales badly compared to other abilities. While grinding out the last 10 levels, I was regularly seeing 3-4k Evis crits (not to mention 2k Mutis) and that was untalented. Hemo works far better with a harder-hitting main hand, and even with gobs of crit I've yet to see an analysis that favors it over Sub-Swords, Mutilate or straight Combat. Not to forget the positional requirements are annoying, at best. What am I missing? And I'm not trolling here, honest question."

I'll start out with that i soloed all the way to 70 without running a single instance and grouped for a total of 10 quests the entire time. Sadly i can not link the combat build i used for lvling because 3.0 changed it. At lvl 62 i switched to a sub dagger build from combat daggers. The attachment i had to it was that at lvl 70 i was doing 3k regular and 6k crits of ambush as an opening move for most solo mobs that in itself is the fight; such as grinding for sunfury signets. Sadly this is no longer the case because of the change of talents with 3.0 and they noticeably changed the levels of stealth with 3.0 as well because i respeced sub at first and couldn't get nearly as close to mobs as before without having to use distract to gain position. I will however give you that this is pure nostalgia because of the change of talents with 3.0 but before that as an opening based fight pre3.0 sub-daggers was great for going anywhere and killing one thing then dropping back into stealth.

Now however at 80 I'm speced 19/52/0 with dagger/sword.

A while back i did ShS Shadowdance with all the talent buffs taht increase damage in sub and such. I went into an AB with the Fleshshaper MH, and probably Lightblade Rivener or Omen of Ruin OH.

So, i find myself a nice berserker chest and get that, pop stealth got a nice dmg boost from both then located some targets.

I found a rogue hit ShS hit ambush and i saw 10793 ambush crit. I lold then i did a backstab crit for 3k ( wtf really) but that ambush crit took that rogue down to 5k health. Was crazy.

Next i hit Shadowdance and sprint and just saw 10k's 7k's and such. It was nice seeing "pyroblast" numbers but then i would die because ambush was all i had.

Lastly, i got the above buffs again, saw a warlock and got him for 13k, but the lock had 18-20k hp.

In all ambush indeed does suck, fun finding the other faction sitting down and eating and pop em for all they are worth, but besides that fact its crap.

Really, if it was a one hitter at 80 we would be OP against low armor classes.


Lastly, Mutilate 51/13/7 and 41/5/25 ftw.