I've been curious about this for a while now. I generally play a boomkin so I have forms of dots and the general rule I've been using is to let them run their course so you don't over step one tic to refresh it. That always ends up over-ruling the last tic, which increases your time between damage and lessening your damage done over time.
Now, the question I have is knowing that most DK damage is based upon having your diseases up, is it more beneficial to refresh diseases barring the fact you'll lose a tic or letting them run their course and utilizing the different attacks you're given, or would you want to end up re-applying the diseases as they end.
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Me being a frost dk, i allways use icy touch whenever i cant do OB or howling blast, so frost fever never ever runs out, but about the unholy one, i do refresh it, but the priority is not as high, i make sure that it is on it, but if that means im hitting it 1 second late i dont care ;)
in the end if ur not using a skill that needs the diseases for its damage, i think putting other runes on cooldown takes priority, as long as it doesnt mean that you wotn be able to refresh diseases for several seconds
in the end if ur not using a skill that needs the diseases for its damage, i think putting other runes on cooldown takes priority, as long as it doesnt mean that you wotn be able to refresh diseases for several seconds
With the way rotations work, not having a disease up is only bad if you're using Heart Strike/Scourge Strike/Oblit. Otherwise, it doesn't matter too much. They don't add to any other ability.
Of course, they add damage on their own, but if you're in the middle of a RP dump, you don't need to refresh your diseases right then.
Of course, they add damage on their own, but if you're in the middle of a RP dump, you don't need to refresh your diseases right then.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
With the way rotations work, not having a disease up is only bad if you're using Heart Strike/Scourge Strike/Oblit/Blood Strike. Otherwise, it doesn't matter too much.
That's like saying you don't need to auto-attack if you don't want to cause damage. Every build uses at least one attack in its rotation(s) that gets bonus damage from diseases. So yes, you'll want to have them up as much as possible.
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Of course, they add damage on their own, but if you're in the middle of a RP dump, you don't need to refresh your diseases right then.
... Unless you have talents like Tundra Stalker and Rage of Rivandare, Glacier Rot, etc... Which you should, depending on your spec. So... again. In general, just keep your diseases up as much as possible.
Gaudion wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
With the way rotations work, not having a disease up is only bad if you're using Heart Strike/Scourge Strike/Oblit/Blood Strike. Otherwise, it doesn't matter too much.
That's like saying you don't need to auto-attack if you don't want to cause damage. Every build uses at least one attack in its rotation(s) that gets bonus damage from diseases. So yes, you'll want to have them up as much as possible.
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Of course, they add damage on their own, but if you're in the middle of a RP dump, you don't need to refresh your diseases right then.
... Unless you have talents like Tundra Stalker and Rage of Rivandare, Glacier Rot, etc... Which you should, depending on your spec. So... again. In general, just keep your diseases up as much as possible.
Did you really just say THE EXACT SAME THING AS I DID?
I mean, really Gaudion. I knew you were obtuse, but this is ridiculous.
I just said 1) you want diseases up as much as possible, and 2) you always want diseases up when you use your rune attacks.
Holy ******* ****.
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...knowing that most DK damage is based upon having your diseases up...
Having the diseases up only matters to the attacks that use them to calculate their damage. The DOT damage is fairly minimal. I wouldn't worry about DOT clipping or letting them lapse too much other than making sure they're up for when you need Blood Strike et. al. as noted above.
Cheers.
Christ Almighty, Theo. Calm down.
Keep in mind that while you may know exactly what tone you're taking while you're sitting at your keyboard, the rest of us across the vast internet do not. So while this may have sounded crystal clear to you...
... to me it sounded like you were trivializing the upkeep of diseases. My sincere apologies, oh great one, for not picking up the intended sarcastic (I assume?) tone of your first remark.
And no, I did not say the exact same thing as you did. You made no mention of damage talents linked to diseases, which I think falls into "other abilities". Just the strikes as listed above, and I thought that was important enough to mention.
Ok? Clear? Good. Now you can go back to saving us all with your attitude.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Did you really just say THE EXACT SAME THING AS I DID?
I mean, really Gaudion. I knew you were obtuse, but this is ridiculous.
I just said 1) you want diseases up as much as possible, and 2) you always want diseases up when you use your rune attacks.
I mean, really Gaudion. I knew you were obtuse, but this is ridiculous.
I just said 1) you want diseases up as much as possible, and 2) you always want diseases up when you use your rune attacks.
Keep in mind that while you may know exactly what tone you're taking while you're sitting at your keyboard, the rest of us across the vast internet do not. So while this may have sounded crystal clear to you...
Overlord Theophany wrote:
With the way rotations work, not having a disease up is only bad if you're using Heart Strike/Scourge Strike/Oblit. Otherwise, it doesn't matter too much. They don't add to any other ability.
... to me it sounded like you were trivializing the upkeep of diseases. My sincere apologies, oh great one, for not picking up the intended sarcastic (I assume?) tone of your first remark.
And no, I did not say the exact same thing as you did. You made no mention of damage talents linked to diseases, which I think falls into "other abilities". Just the strikes as listed above, and I thought that was important enough to mention.
Ok? Clear? Good. Now you can go back to saving us all with your attitude.
@OP I'm not going to read the nonsense genital waving of the above posters and just answer you. It COMPLETELY depends on the situation:
Do you have cooldowns you're about to pop?
-Yes: Refresh it so you can chain a bunch of swings and not have to worry about refreshing it
-No: Eh, really doesn't matter. Personally this is something I need to get better at, waiting a few seconds so I can use a FU ability rather than spamming IT/PS again mid rotation. My dps numbers have been pretty good so far (when the fight hasn't been terrible for melee), but I've got a lot of room to learn
Do you have Epidemic?
-Yes: You've spent the points to make your diseases tick longer, if you refresh early why take those points?
-No: Chances are your diseases will expire the middle of your next rotation anyway, go ahead and refresh
Are you about to have to move away from the boss?
-Yes: Go ahead and refresh, since you can't stand there dpsing, at least your diseases can tick for the maximum amount of time
-No: Don't refresh unless in the above situations
Do you have cooldowns you're about to pop?
-Yes: Refresh it so you can chain a bunch of swings and not have to worry about refreshing it
-No: Eh, really doesn't matter. Personally this is something I need to get better at, waiting a few seconds so I can use a FU ability rather than spamming IT/PS again mid rotation. My dps numbers have been pretty good so far (when the fight hasn't been terrible for melee), but I've got a lot of room to learn
Do you have Epidemic?
-Yes: You've spent the points to make your diseases tick longer, if you refresh early why take those points?
-No: Chances are your diseases will expire the middle of your next rotation anyway, go ahead and refresh
Are you about to have to move away from the boss?
-Yes: Go ahead and refresh, since you can't stand there dpsing, at least your diseases can tick for the maximum amount of time
-No: Don't refresh unless in the above situations
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