Haste and Slow daggers and etc.Follow

This may have been asked before but is it possible to get a slow dagger (1.8 speed) stacked with enough haste on a character that it will out dps a fast dagger.

I have some fast daggers (1.5 speed) and i can get them down to about 1.35 speed but diminshing returns seem to cut in after awhile(pre SnD). Since I have about 11% haste on a 1.5 its a not a huge speed up, but 11% on a 1.8 brings it down to about 1.5 or something. Anyways what im trying to convey is.

Is there a feasible haste number that will bring a slow dagger so low in speed that since it has higher dmg range, that it will be as fast or close to as fast as faster dagger with same amount of haste to make it a better dps choice.

I cant do the math because i dont know the haste mechanics, and im also thinking that its probably a ridiculously high number in haste that it maybe impossible to get that much haste or as usual other stats will suffer.

*Changed some numbers*

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderlord&n=Beezi

Edited, Dec 6th 2008 4:15pm by EziNewDream

Edited, Dec 6th 2008 4:18pm by EziNewDream

As a practicality? No. You will not be able to stack enough Haste to out-pace the scaling.

You will never stack enough haste for a slow dagger to out-dps a fast one. A 1.3 speed dagger gains the same dps from 50% haste that a 1.8 speed dagger would, not to mention the greater number of poison/focused attacks ticks that you would get from fast weapons. Those gains vastly outpace the rather minimal gains in mutilate damage.

That being said, if you had Librarian's Paper Cutter (1.3 speed/130 dps) and Sinister Revenge (1.8 speed, 171 dps) to choose from, use your brains and equip Sinister Revenge.

Edited, Dec 9th 2008 6:09pm by Banatu

I think what's relevant here, as Banatu states, is that regardless of the initial speed of the dagger, x% haste will increase the DPS of the dagger by exactly the same amount.

An illustration :

2.0 speed dagger @ 200 damage per hit = 100dps
1.0 speed dagger @ 100 damage per hit = 100dps

Adding 10% haste changes both into:

1.8 speed dagger @ 200 damage per hit = 111.11dps
0.9 speed dagger @ 100 damage per hit = 111.11dps


So, while the same percentage of haste shaves a big chunk of time off a slower dagger, the proportionate gain is exactly the same as on a fast one.

Therefore, in this day and age of "Fast is best" (mainly due to poison procs), your faster dagger (ofc, assuming the dame initial dps) is always going to be better to go with, regardless of haste.

So don't be fooled by the fact that 0.2 or so seconds come off a fast dagger but 0.3 seconds come off a slow dagger, therefore haste benefits slower weapons more ... it doesn't.