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#1 Dec 04 2008 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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I will say that I am only level 78, and I have only done about 5 of the instances in Northrend so far. However, I assume that my experiences so far won't really change a whole lot once I hit 80 until I get into heroics/raids/difficult content.

Most Paladin Librams now seem to be ones that give a crit bonus after a successful judgement. I believe that mine raises my crit rating by 61 for 5 seconds after a judgement (that does not miss).

In order to build a huge threat lead, I am finding that rather than throwing my shield and allowing the mobs to come to me, in MOST situations, I am putting up HS, running up close enough to judge wisdom on the main target, AS'ing the main mob and 2 others right in their faces, using HoR, SoR slam the main target, and consecrate. This takes less than 10 seconds, and everything I do after the judgement (except the consecrate which is outside of the 5-second window because of GCDs) has a higher chance to crit because of my libram.

Just by doing this opening rotation I have such a huge threat lead that the DPS has no chance to pull anything off of me unless they are DPS'ing targets which I haven't even marked.

The bad part of this is in many cases I have gotten out of the habit of marking targets alltogether or I might only mark the one target that I know I want to see go down first. I realize that soon I will probably have to get back into better habits, but for now it works fine.

The exception to this is if there are several groups of mobs in relatively close proximity and I don't want to chain-aggro everything by getting too close. In that case, I will still throw my shield and wait for one pack of mobs to come to me.

Edited, Dec 4th 2008 2:10pm by jeromesimina
#2 Dec 04 2008 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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I prefer Block Value librams at 80, critting with my Shield for 10k is just too "oh so good" :D

I will say though, that thanks to instant AS, I find myself running in and engaging with close-combat abilities first and then unloading AS after all of the mobs have clustered ontop of me. It ensures that I don't waste a shield that only hits 1 or 2 targets. I don't glyph for AS because you get 50% more damage out of it unglyphed as long as you make damned sure you hit 3 targets.
#3 Dec 04 2008 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
Trust me it only gets better, once you hit 80, I started running straight heroics. It won't matter which target your party is attacking. I open with AS, consecrate, put HS up and just let go with all the other instant casts. Hell judging on mobs is almost not happening with me anymore. I have been with mages, hunters doing over 2500 dps and they can't even come close to stealing my threat. I like the improvements for tanking pallies, not so much on keeping up with warriors for health, but hey what else can we do.
#4 Dec 04 2008 at 5:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Losie wrote:
I prefer Block Value librams at 80, critting with my Shield for 10k is just too "oh so good" :D



Quick question for Losie, more curiosity than anything just wondering if I'm missing a trick here.

My Paladin has just this week started Naxx 25, although I'm having to pick my upgrades from the leavings of my guild leader (Warrior MT) I'm still one of the better geared paladins on my realm, my block value is ~1000 I have my lovely shiny libram and with coefficients factored in I'm critting for around 5.5k with this ability.

I noticed from another threat you were talking about heroic Naxx tanks having a block value of 2000 which would certainly give you a 10kish crit... do you have this gear already because at the moment I have nothing like the option of getting a block value of 2k or the subsequent crit.
#5 Dec 04 2008 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
I'm also finding that my opener stacks an enormous amount of threat. (I'm glad I saw this thread though...going to run as many heroics as I can over the weekend and I was unaware of the new librams until now). My block value is low compared to some others here...currently around 750 or so, but that Libram makes me drool.

I peaked out at about 4.7k tps on Loken tonight in reg Halls of Lightning (and he dropped the trinket ;D). Group was me, 3 guildie dps, and a PUG healer who was simply fantastic so I started the fight with AW and just went bawls out...it was great fun.

That was my second HoL run for the evening. My first HoL run, I came out at 950 dps on the run having done 36% of the group's overall damage for the run. Unfortunately, I forgot to reset the damage meter before the second run, but I'm astounded at how deadly protadins are.

It makes me look forward to the upcoming pally changes. Putting AW on a 30 second cooldown with Divine Shield means I can start more boss fights with an enormous threat lead and still have an ******* button 30 seconds later if I need it.
#6 Dec 05 2008 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
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heroic Naxx tanks having a block value of 2000


That includes full raid buffs (Strength of Earth for example) and assumes that your Libram of Obstruction has procced. My personal best crit is somewhere in the mid 9000s, certainly acceptable territory to claim as "10k" for simplicity's sake.

There's a more detailed discussion of this topic precisely at:

http://www.failsafedesign.com/maintankadin/viewtopic.php?t=17389

Including resources to see some of the gear needed to achieve that kind of Block Value.
#7 Dec 05 2008 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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My first HoL run, I came out at 950 dps on the run having done 36% of the group's overall damage for the run.


Not bad. I haven't been under 1200 dps for any dungeon since I got SotR. Of course I run with a more dps oriented spec as i'll be maxing out crusade in 700k more xp. Only been out dpsed once in running 15+ instances up to and including HoL(trinket dropped for me too). Nothing like carrying a grp of 80s at lvl 78 thru HoL and beating them all in damage done, good thing the healer was decent because i have no idea how a lvl 80 mage does only 800dps.
#8 Dec 05 2008 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
mahlerite wrote:
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My first HoL run, I came out at 950 dps on the run having done 36% of the group's overall damage for the run.


Not bad. I haven't been under 1200 dps for any dungeon since I got SotR. Of course I run with a more dps oriented spec as i'll be maxing out crusade in 700k more xp. Only been out dpsed once in running 15+ instances up to and including HoL(trinket dropped for me too). Nothing like carrying a grp of 80s at lvl 78 thru HoL and beating them all in damage done, good thing the healer was decent because i have no idea how a lvl 80 mage does only 800dps.



Mage is probably in full PVP gear, we have a 80 rogue in my guild who just refuses to change to any PVE gear. We have explained to him that he won't be getting in many raids with us, but 5 man dungeons on heroic isn't much of a problem. He is only doing about 750 dps. I'm pretty sure i can just stand in front of the mob and never attack and do that much now :) (as a tanking pally)
#9 Dec 05 2008 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Losie wrote:
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heroic Naxx tanks having a block value of 2000


That includes full raid buffs (Strength of Earth for example) and assumes that your Libram of Obstruction has procced.


Actually perhaps I should stop posting late in the evening, I miss the obvious. Apologies to you Losie. My quoted figures are solo unbuffed figures without Libram of Obstruction up. I'd falsely assumed you were quoting a 2k block value from gear unbuffed. I'll take a look at my stats after tonight's raid to see how I'm comparing in full raid buffs, though with it being the Four Horseman first up I'll probably spend more time crying than checking stats ;P
#10 Dec 06 2008 at 12:27 AM Rating: Decent
mahlerite wrote:
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My first HoL run, I came out at 950 dps on the run having done 36% of the group's overall damage for the run.


Not bad. I haven't been under 1200 dps for any dungeon since I got SotR. Of course I run with a more dps oriented spec as i'll be maxing out crusade in 700k more xp. Only been out dpsed once in running 15+ instances up to and including HoL(trinket dropped for me too). Nothing like carrying a grp of 80s at lvl 78 thru HoL and beating them all in damage done, good thing the healer was decent because i have no idea how a lvl 80 mage does only 800dps.


Not sure what I did differently tonight aside from upgrade a few pieces of gear, but I ran Utgarde Pinnacle (reg), Halls of Stone (reg) and Violet Hold (heroic) tonight and did 1100, 1110, and 1090 dps respectively for the three runs. I could do more if I used AW more, but I usually just pop it on the last boss for ***** and giggles. Nobody is coming anywhere close to my threat and I'm just now starting to see myself as an uber-AoE tank/dps hybrid, so I haven't been putting too much emphasis on maxing out.

That'll change a bit this weekend though ;D
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