Elementalist Mage cast rotation (0/58/13) (and your FFB Qs)Follow

I will be adding this to TGMPE but until then I decided to make a separate thread for the time being.

Ask all your Frostfire bolt questions here.

The rotation one should be doing (assuming in raid of course) [excuse the copy paste that I am doing from my guild forums that I posted there]


Highest Single Target DPS Spec: 0/58/13
From this spec you can make modifications.
1pt ice floes -> frostbite - Ice floes is fairly bad for the build anyway, so might as well max out frostbite for better farming. Keep in mind frostbite will not proc on blizzard without putting at least 1 pt in it.
1pt ice floes -> frostbite, 1pt world in flames -> imp. blizzard - More controlled blizzard dps. Keep in mind World in Flames affects blizzard dps.
1pt world in flames or 1pt frost channeling -> dragon's breath - Dragon's Breath
1pt ice floes -> frostbite, 1pt world in flames -> imp. blizzard, 3pt frost channeling -> shatter - Shatter/blizzard. This change alone isn't too awesome, however, if 2+ mages spec with 3/3 frostbite 1/3 blizzard the results can turn out excellent. Keep in mind you will do 10% more blizzard threat.

PRIORITY SYSTEM
"Living Bomb > Hot Streak Pyroblast > scorch refresh > ffb

However, this is only the main outline. Many improvements can be done. Amongst other things, Living Bomb explosion consumes a combustion charge, so you want to make sure to avoid it. You can always play around the timing of hot streak. There is no good reason to cast it right away. As such, if the hot streak mechanics allow you to safely cast living bomb / scorch -> hot streak, I would advocate it so as to avoid ignite munching. Of course, this assumes either living bomb or scorch was due for a refresh, otherwise I would just take the risk and hope ignite munching isn't too bad."

Do your best to keep living bomb up (after explosion of course) and to use it on the move if there is a lot of movement (same with fireblast) -- good for Heigan etc.

Use Mirror Image at the beginning of the fight (assuming there aren't Auras that will kill them immediately) so that you can use your cooldowns right off the bat (they work like Priest Fade [or at least the old one] where they split your aggro with you, but when they die (always after the 30 seconds) you gain back the aggro gained).


Hit Mechanics (From EJ forums FFB Thread Here) -- WTB Being able to add a Table...

% Rating Required

17% 446 Capped

14% 368 Spriest/Boomkin

11% 289 Spriest/Boomkin+EP*

01% 27

If you have a Draenei you can subtract 1% (27) from those numbers.

Crit Multiplier Info:

Spell              Talents                        Multiplier-without-4xT7 Multiplier-with-4xT7

Fireball/Frostfire ignite                         210%                    213.5%

Fireball/Frostfire ignite+CSD                     216.3%                  220.115%

Fireball/Frostfire ignite+burnout                 245%                    248.5%

Fireball/Frostfire ignite+burnout+CSD             254.45%                 258.265%

Fireball/Frostfire ignite+burnout+ice-shards+CSD  330.75%                 334.565%

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I've found that my Imp scorch debuff wouldn't go up on a mob that already had 4+ WC on him. So I'm gonna say it's the number of stacks.

Very informative post as usual. Thanks. Do you mind elaborating on this "ignite munching?" I hadn't heard about that in the past.

Ignite overwrites Ignite even if it's a weaker version so consider:

I have my two crits in a row to trigger Hot Streak and I want to throw a firey meteor at something because that's how I get my jollies, so I do that and it crits and I smile a little inside because now not only did I get to see my big number but I get 40% of that number to happen again over the next few seconds.. But wait, imp. scorch is wearing off, no problem we'll just cast it again and......... oh crap it crit, so now instead of getting 40% of my 8k pyro I'm getting 40% of my 2k scorch

You see the problem here :P

So during cast sequence when do you use combustion? Assuming you have it.

updated with a bit more info and a prettier hit table.

2pts are for farther distance for my living bombs, pyroblasts, and scorches.

the threat reduction does not stack with frost channeling (which I already have) + the additional mana savings from it (frost channeling that is)

Clarify. Are you saying you don't get the mana savings from frost channeling when you have Burning Soul? Or am I just that tired?

True enough. I just really like my knockback protection. They like to make me do things. Bad things. Like tank a horseman.

This "does not stack" business sucks big time. So I have to choose between either lower fire threat or lower frost threat. :( How does this work if I have talents in both? Which one is taken into consideration? I will try searching on EJ harder, did not have much luck yet finding more details about this.

Bingo!

No problem, whle it isn't super helpful my setup is:

1 wand
2 fireball
3 scorch
4 fireblast (after that is not too important)
5 AE
6 Nova
s= shift
s+1 Mirror Image
s+2 Pyro
s+3 Cone of Cold (for kiting
s+4 Herbalism Buff
s+5 Living Bomb
s+6 Icy Veins (if I ever want to cast it by itself)

Other than that I have things bound to my mouse for macros etc like trinket/cooldowns etc.

1) A frost mage does assist in this and also brings mana regen with the water elemental. Both are good. The negeative is that the overall raid dps will be lower as the frost mage will be doing about 5-10% less dps than you will, basically showing why a mage should be FFB given the opportunity to do so and not being forced into the WE role. That and re-applying the scorch debuff, as mentioned earlier in the thread can be a positive part for when your Hotstreak procs to allow the ignite ticks to roll and not be munched. (basically crit - crit [ooh hot streak proc] - [finish casting] - cast scorch/livingbomb - launch instant pyro - continue rotation. <--- is applicable unless scorch (and living bomb) were recently re-applies (less than 8 seconds ago for scorch I would say or so).

2) Only a couple of your spells will not work with frost channelling (living bomb + scorch and of course pyro and fireblast). FFB (your main nuke) benefits from the talent and should be enough to let you go all out. Assuming your tanks are not horrible you should not have to worry about pulling off of them unless you are in super-buffed (read: thaddius or maybe malygos), other than that you should almost never be close to them on threat. Especially with mirror image and 3 second invis (down from 5 by default). If you are worried about pushback then get burning soul, I haven't encountered a need for it hardly at all in my raids (seen all current content) so I wouldn't deem it a requirement (+ the mana reduction of frost channelling is better in my opinion)

3) An spriest/boomkin are interchangable, their debuffs (misery + imp fairy fire) do not stack and they soley count for 3% hit. So assuming you have EP + A spriest/boomkin there you will need 11% (289/290) hit rating. Anything over that and you are giving up other potential stats for it.

I need to edit the chart and get rid of the 8% bug.