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Sure, but we're not talking about telling you what to do .. we're talking about politely offering some advice, and how receptive you are when to receive it. I agree with you that there should be no reason for you not to Dual Wield if you want to. You should HAVE to go with a cookie cutter build, you shouldn't HAVE to ensure the correct balance of stats on your gear. It really is your choice, as long as you realise that if/when you try and get a place in a raiding guild, and they turn you down because you're sub-optimal, you know why. If you're happy with that, then great ... I am, that's why I don't raid - cos I don't generally like running optimal raiding builds.

There is absolutely no reason for hostility if somebody tries to point out something glaringly obvious with your makeup. The simplest answer is "Thanks for your efforts, but I'm quite comfortable as I am, and I'm having fun". If you still get "harassed" by said player, put him on your ignore list - problem solved. Unfortunately though, WoW is full of people (like you, it seems) who are determined to hurl as much hostility around at others simply because there really is no recourse (you are, after all, pretty anonymous wrt other players). It's not necessary, and if you don't like the interaction with other players (cos that's what it is), then perhaps you shouldn't be playing an MMO.

Er... ok.

I have no idea what provoked that kind of reaction, I was pretty sure the discussion was quite light-hearted. The fact remains that DW DKs at low gear levels are significantly (like 20-30%) less effective than 2H DKs. Now I actually DW and 2H on my DK whenever I feel like it, I find the DW system actually more relaxing because a large proportion of my DPS is white damage; I dont have to spam commands as much to kill a mob.

Now at very high (like NX25) gear levels you may expect to see DW catch up a bit, but until then 2H will remain the best choice for the best numbers.

Nobody is telling you how to play your class; they are simply outlining the mathematically inescapable consequences of the choices you might make.

Chill.


This is why we 'proofread'. If something comes out more abrasive than you intend at a family dinner then you apologise, the wonder of the internet is that we can go back and delete the abrasive sections and replace them with something a little less GNERDragey.

He's adorable, isn't he?

man, i love this hehe

but why, if you play purely for fun, do you not only post on a forum about said game... but defend your opinion so fiercely? if you really didnt care, you wouldnt post

:D just sayin champ

and yea, playin for fun is fun... most people grabbing wrong gear or spending a few talents wrong dont hate the advice as much as you do

and changing say, points from toughness to killing machine as a dps frost doesnt change the playstyle a damn bit, but makes you a better player for grouping

your welcome to not wanna hear advice.... but so hostile for that... geeez

ruin everyone elses fun why dont cha? ^_-

Edited, Dec 2nd 2008 1:26pm by mongoosexcore

Ooookay (I guess) ... again, nobody's talking about "Thrusting their opinion", we're talking about trying to be helpful and create a community of nice people. If you're not keen to be part of a pleasant, helpful community, then I guess that's your choice. The same as it being your choice to politely refuse the offered advice ... it doesn't take much you know.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2008 8:27pm by robertlofthouse

The thing is Moz, there's a difference between the forums know-alls who attempt to dictate to you how that +16 AP gem should be a +8 Agi gem, and if you don't change it you'll suck the scum off the bottom of a lake before you'll ever be accepted, and someone in-game attempting to be helpful (not dictatorial - cos that sucks as bad as the forum jerks).

If I approached you and said "Sorry Mate, mind if I make a suggestion, you would do more damage as combat swords" ... would your response be 1) "F*ck off and die, you elitist pr*ck", or 2) "Thanks, but I like my daggers". Ofc, how I respond back to you will determine whether or not I'm a jerk which you need to justifiably insult and /ignore, or a decent guy who'll let you play your own way and leave you alone.

People like Krago are why, 90% of the time, I think of advice I could give to help someone and then let it pass by. It's also why I usually get shouted at afterwards when someone dies in front of me.

In-game scenario A:

Player A runs past. I buff player A. Player A thanks me, and later I am in a zone skinning. I see player A getting a whupping, and heal him, taking one of the already-tagged mobs off him so he can survive the fight. Not only has he gotten a buff, but being polite saved him from having to run back to his corpse.

Player B runs past. I buff player B. Player B says nothing, and runs past me, trying to aggro as many mobs as possible so that he can outclaim me. Player B then has too many adds and his health is dropping fast. I watch as player B dies to the mobs. I then get a whisper saying "WTF why didn't you heal me noob?" Player B goes on /ignore for his overwhelming stupidity & hostility. I tag the mobs he tried to claim, since they're now untagged again. He got a free buff, but because he was a jerk, he lost the buff and the mobs he tried to pull.


In-game scenario B:
Player A is killing mobs, and I notice that he's not skinning his kills. I politely ask if I can skin his kills.
He invites me to skin anything he's killed since he's not a skinner. I inspect him and realise I can make an upgrade with the leather. I make a chestpiece and give it to him for free, earning a skillup at the same time. Both of us benefit.

Player B is killing mobs, and I notice that he's not skinning his kills. I politely ask if I can skin his kills. He does not reply, but I notice that most of the skinnable mobs he now kills seem to have something left on them intentionally, as I cannot skin them when I mouse-hover over them. Since I don't get any leather I don't get a skillup, and since he was an asshat he doesn't get a free upgrade. Neither benefit.


In-game scenario C:

Player A is wearing outdated gear of the Whale. I notice that he is a rogue. I politely ask if I can give him some gear advice. He says okay, so I advise him that gear of the monkey or gear with agility and stamina are good choices for rogues. I also suggest that once he hits Outland he can start looking for gear of the Bandit. He thanks me and moves on. some time later, I meet up with him again. I see that he's well-geared, and he's in a good guild. He remembers me, and I get invited to his PuG.

Player B is wearing outdated gear of the Whale. I notice that he is a rogue. I politely ask if I can give him some gear advice. He says it's none of my business, and moves on. I do not advise him, and he is later on Trade channel whining about the fact that nobody wants to group with him or put him in a guild even though he's a 'super-leet rouge'. I smile in "holier than thou" satisfaction.

With all of the above examples, I have encountered either player A or player B- not always both, and not always on the same day/week/whatever. In scenario A, I have encountered both situations. Each scenario describes how I handled each personality. Let me give you a third scenario, in real life.


Real-life scenario A:

I'm at a crowded company party filled with attorneys and bigwigs rubbing elbows and networking. I'm standing around talking to a colleague when I see a man coming out of the bathroom. He doesn't realise it, but he has toilet paper coming out of the back of his trousers (presumably it got tucked in when he pulled them up). I tap him on the shoulder and as he turns around he says, "Do I know you?" with an insufferable look of hostility on his face. "Oh no", I reply, letting him walk off. "I thought you were someone else."

The next day, the conversation around the water cooler was mostly about the sad loser who was walking around with toilet paper coming out of his ***.

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Edited, Dec 2nd 2008 4:21pm by Wondroustremor

Aye, that all goes without saying of course. No need to be rude to somebody if he hasn't given you a reason to do so.

Edit: 'ofcourse' isn't a word Mozared.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2008 12:42am by Mozared

Getting back to the OP, there's a none too fine line between handing out unsolicited advice about shifting talent points around or regemming a piece of equipment for min / maxing, and pointing out that spellpower provides no benefit whatsoever to a DK. The latter is about on par with the TP hanging out.

But hey, if even that is too much information and some people would prefer walking around in gear which isn't merely suboptimal but actually literally worthless, that's fine with me too. Next time I meet a Krago in a PUG, he can have the spell damage plate, I'll keep the AP kit.