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I'm currently specced blood. Posted my build in "Whats the max dps" thread. What I'm curious is when I start to replace my gear. What do I replace it with. Str + Stam + AP or Agi + Str + AP. Also does the 2h work better for blood specced DK or DW. Havn't tried DW at all yet except for that one beginners quests were you use those sticks to interigate that mob. Thanks to those who reply.
Personally I would go with Strength, Stamina, Attack Power. Armor bonuses of agility will come with gear upgrades.
As far as I can tell, all references indicate that 2h is much better than DW. I'm not seeing any reason to even try DW in any of the specs.
As far as I can tell, all references indicate that 2h is much better than DW. I'm not seeing any reason to even try DW in any of the specs.
Anyone using 1h weapons on a DK is a moron.
Anyone not stacking Str first and foremost is a moron (unless tanking).
Anyone not stacking Str first and foremost is a moron (unless tanking).
Well least I know I'm on the right track and not a moron. Though have been called retarded by theo...once or twice *sniffles*. I'll never DW. Love the power of 2hr's. One question. Just dinged 61 by playing around lol. What rune enhancement is best. Lichbane? Newest one I've obtained.
I use Razorice since there are no undead in Outland, but meh, they're both about the same.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
I use Razorice since there are no undead in Outland, but meh, they're both about the same.
Zomg .. cinderglacier ftw noob.
(j/k) :P
(edit: I forgot how to spell cinderglacier)
Edited, Nov 27th 2008 11:06am by wildsimian
wildsimian wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
I use Razorice since there are no undead in Outland, but meh, they're both about the same.
Zomg .. cinderglacier ftw noob.
(j/k) :P
(edit: I forgot how to spell cinderglacier)
Edited, Nov 27th 2008 11:06am by wildsimian
Yeah, see, I had that discussion with a lower level DK in my guild (I know you're joking). He didn't seem to understand that 2% damage to ALL of your attacks is way better than 20% on an IT/DC every once in a while.
Most sites I've been on do seem to suggest Cinderglacier over Razorice. I tried both and it didn't seem to make a lot of difference to me. Admittedly I'm not running any kind of meter til endgame so it'd have to be a significant change either way for me to notice.
I am right in thinking once you ding 70, Rune of the Fallen Crusader trumps them both, right?
I am right in thinking once you ding 70, Rune of the Fallen Crusader trumps them both, right?
Rasen wrote:
Most sites I've been on do seem to suggest Cinderglacier over Razorice. I tried both and it didn't seem to make a lot of difference to me. Admittedly I'm not running any kind of meter til endgame so it'd have to be a significant change either way for me to notice.
I am right in thinking once you ding 70, Rune of the Fallen Crusader trumps them both, right?
I am right in thinking once you ding 70, Rune of the Fallen Crusader trumps them both, right?
2% damage on every hit is better than 20% damage on a proc that doesn't proc very often.
i think fallen crusader trumps for blood once you get it... +30% str is nice, but razorice has a lil group utility
cinderglacier is kinda useless if you dont burn the procs on frost strikes or bowling blasts
side note, blood makes the most outta armor penetration... not something worth gemming for or anything, but if any build made use of the stat... its blood
cinderglacier is kinda useless if you dont burn the procs on frost strikes or bowling blasts
side note, blood makes the most outta armor penetration... not something worth gemming for or anything, but if any build made use of the stat... its blood
While I don't often say it, I have to agree with Theo on this; Razorice is FAR better than Cinderglacier. The only readily apparent use for Cindeglacier is for Unholy or Frost DKs boosting their spell damage. I used Razorice until I got Fallen Crusader, and to be honest I'm wondering whether I should switch back.
2% to all attacks is a better and more reliable enchant for most solo situations; Crusader is better over a long boss fight but I see no good reason at all to use Cinderglacier.
Of course, Lichbane is the best for Naxx :)
2% to all attacks is a better and more reliable enchant for most solo situations; Crusader is better over a long boss fight but I see no good reason at all to use Cinderglacier.
Of course, Lichbane is the best for Naxx :)
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Anyone using 1h weapons on a DK is a moron.
There is a talent in frost that increases your chance to hit with a 1-handed weapon by 5% and increases the damage of your offhand by 15% (with all 3 points spent on Nerves of cold steel), so 1-handers can't be all that bad.
I'm using an unholy/frost spec with 2 1-handed swords and I can take down the enemies with no problem.
So calling people morons because they don't use a 2-handers seems a bit harsh to me.
*edit* Thanks for the rate downs!
Edited, Nov 28th 2008 11:48am by jpaugh
jpaugh the Flatulent wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Anyone using 1h weapons on a DK is a moron.
There is a talent in frost that increases your chance to hit with a 1-handed weapon by 5% and increases the damage of your offhand by 15% (with all 3 points spent on Nerves of cold steel), so 1-handers can't be all that bad.
I'm using an unholy/frost spec with 2 1-handed swords and I can take down the enemies with no problem.
So calling people morons because they don't use a 2-handers seems a bit harsh to me.
There is a very specific tri-spec dualwield setup that some people are testing. So far, it comes out behind all three trees.
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There is a talent in frost that increases your chance to hit with a 1-handed weapon by 5% and increases the damage of your offhand by 15% (with all 3 points spent on Nerves of cold steel), so 1-handers can't be all that bad.
I'm using an unholy/frost spec with 2 1-handed swords and I can take down the enemies with no problem.
So calling people morons because they don't use a 2-handers seems a bit harsh to me.
That one talent doesn't transform dw in a viable option.
Anyone who uses dw as a frost spec should be shot down.
your 41 point talent, froststrike, revolves all around using the slowest, meanest and hardest hitting two-handed weapon you can find.
A frost death knight is like an ms warrior dual wielding, it just quite blatantly sucks.
And now your probably going to tell me you didn't get froststrike because your some weird hybrid spec, which will continue to perform below the performance of a good specced 2-handed dk.
The only way I see dw becoming viable is if blizz drastically changes something about deathknights, or our white dps somehow manages to outscale yellow damage, which will only happen at the content that the most of us will never see. ( and I wouldn't count on it tbh.)
I'm unholy with my extra points spent in frost. I'm testing out the necromancer build from this page. That's why I mentioned the nerves of cold steel talent.
jpaugh the Flatulent wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Anyone using 1h weapons on a DK is a moron.
There is a talent in frost that increases your chance to hit with a 1-handed weapon by 5% and increases the damage of your offhand by 15% (with all 3 points spent on Nerves of cold steel), so 1-handers can't be all that bad.
I'm using an unholy/frost spec with 2 1-handed swords and I can take down the enemies with no problem.
So calling people morons because they don't use a 2-handers seems a bit harsh to me.
*edit* Thanks for the rate downs!
Edited, Nov 28th 2008 11:48am by jpaugh
No, it has truth behind it. The only way it would in any way be viable would be if you had great 1h weapons, and no way to obtain 2h weapons of similar quality.
Because 85% of damage comes from weapon damage on abilities from DKs, ergo you drop to a 1h and you're doing crappy damage.
So yes, anyone using 1h weapons is a moron. Sorry you don't understand class mechanics.
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Interesting sidebar to the discussion.
I use Razorice as my choice for my Frost DK because 2% on everything is better. But, another reason as a Frost, was I did notice that the proc animation for Cinderglacier is, from what I can tell, nearly idential to the proc from Rime opening up a rune-free Howling Blast. I found that pretty frustrating. Unless I am crazy, they really seem like the same animation to me. Hitting that well-timed and free Howling Blast is fairly standard priority for Frost, so the animation really messed with me when I tried Cinderglacier.
Not sure any other Frost have found this to be equally frustrating.
I use Razorice as my choice for my Frost DK because 2% on everything is better. But, another reason as a Frost, was I did notice that the proc animation for Cinderglacier is, from what I can tell, nearly idential to the proc from Rime opening up a rune-free Howling Blast. I found that pretty frustrating. Unless I am crazy, they really seem like the same animation to me. Hitting that well-timed and free Howling Blast is fairly standard priority for Frost, so the animation really messed with me when I tried Cinderglacier.
Not sure any other Frost have found this to be equally frustrating.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
2% damage on every hit is better than 20% damage on a proc that doesn't proc very often.
Depends on the situation.
Cinderclacier with Scourge Strike (Unholy) is awesomewin in PvP(Scourge Strike counts as Shadow damage). Cinderclacier in PvE, probably not so much.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
2% damage on every hit is better than 20% damage on a proc that doesn't proc very often.
Depends on the situation.
Cinderclacier with Scourge Strike (Unholy) is awesomewin in PvP(Scourge Strike counts as Shadow damage). Cinderclacier in PvE, probably not so much.
That would be such situational burst as to be ridiculous in PvP and not at all worth considering.
Whereas 2% extra weapon damage is such a major improvement in PvP, right?
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
Whereas 2% extra weapon damage is such a major improvement in PvP, right?
4% damage on crits is nothing to scoff at.
It's all damage done, so yeah, it's a pretty big improvement. Rogues spend a talent point in the 25-30 talent point range over pretty much everything else for 2% damage.
It's not a +2% DPS boost, though. It simply deals 2% of your weapon's damage as Frost damage on each attack. It doesn't do more damage on crits, because it's not 2% of your damage done, it's 2% of your weapon's damage, which remains the same when you crit.
At level 59, it hits for an average 6 damage on each hit. With the vulnerability debuff and stuff, I've had it hit for 8 or so at max.
It's true that every bit of damage counts, but I'd rather have the burst damage of Cinderglacier than 8 damage each hit. Cinderglacier seems to proc almost once every pull and with Sudden Doom, you can get some pretty decent Death Coils in on the target. Burst is king of PvP.
At level 59, it hits for an average 6 damage on each hit. With the vulnerability debuff and stuff, I've had it hit for 8 or so at max.
It's true that every bit of damage counts, but I'd rather have the burst damage of Cinderglacier than 8 damage each hit. Cinderglacier seems to proc almost once every pull and with Sudden Doom, you can get some pretty decent Death Coils in on the target. Burst is king of PvP.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
It's not a +2% DPS boost, though. It simply deals 2% of your weapon's damage as Frost damage on each attack. It doesn't do more damage on crits, because it's not 2% of your damage done, it's 2% of your weapon's damage, which remains the same when you crit.
At level 59, it hits for an average 6 damage on each hit. With the vulnerability debuff and stuff, I've had it hit for 8 or so at max.
It's true that every bit of damage counts, but I'd rather have the burst damage of Cinderglacier than 8 damage each hit. Cinderglacier seems to proc almost once every pull and with Sudden Doom, you can get some pretty decent Death Coils in on the target. Burst is king of PvP.
At level 59, it hits for an average 6 damage on each hit. With the vulnerability debuff and stuff, I've had it hit for 8 or so at max.
It's true that every bit of damage counts, but I'd rather have the burst damage of Cinderglacier than 8 damage each hit. Cinderglacier seems to proc almost once every pull and with Sudden Doom, you can get some pretty decent Death Coils in on the target. Burst is king of PvP.
All damage crits when the ability crits.
I have never, ever seen Razorice crit if that's what you're saying.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
The result is the same whether razorice calculates before or after the crit multiplier...
(100*1.02)*2 = (100*2)*1.02 = 204
Edit: Although I concede that it could be 100*2+100*1.02 = 202. The wording on the rune is slightly ambiguous, since it's not modifying your weapon damage but converting 2% of it into extra frost damage. The implication of it being a separate component could mean your crits don't factor in.
Nothing to see here, carry on.
Edited, Feb 20th 2009 5:50pm by Norellicus
(100*1.02)*2 = (100*2)*1.02 = 204
Edit: Although I concede that it could be 100*2+100*1.02 = 202. The wording on the rune is slightly ambiguous, since it's not modifying your weapon damage but converting 2% of it into extra frost damage. The implication of it being a separate component could mean your crits don't factor in.
Nothing to see here, carry on.
Edited, Feb 20th 2009 5:50pm by Norellicus
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