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#1 Nov 25 2008 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've recently switched to a wolf for leveling with (one of the demon puppies from Zul'drak), and I'm loving it. He has tons of skills to stay alive, does a fair amount of damage, and holds threat just fine with Aspect of the Beast. I'll probably stick with him up to 80, then level up my wind serpent...at which point I get to decide which family I want to raid with, and that's going to be tough.

Ferocity does great damage and has a lot of skills to stay alive and happy--it doesn't matter that my wolf only eats meat, because I never have to feed him. Cunning seems to do a fair amount of damage, too, and the more points I can spend in the tree the better it gets, even if most of the damage skills are fairly situational. The big thing I'm looking at is Roar of Recovery, though. It's a long cooldown, sure, but in the past it's meant the difference between switching to viper on boss fights, or going all out for a bit longer. It seems almost too good to give up by switching to a Ferocity pet, especially since I like to save my potion for a healing potion just in case. On the other hand, lightning breath really doesn't do a lot of damage anymore, and I've been getting frustrated with my wind serpent's lower DPS even if the extra mana keeps me going longer.

I'm leaning towards my wolf for soloing (especially if his howl doesn't stack with trueshot aura, as we usually have at least one marks hunter in the raid), and my wind serpent for raiding just for the mana return...I'm not sure though, I'll have to pick up some cheap arrows and experiment a bit. (Of course, if I hit 80 before they fix the hydra, I might just bring a tenacity pet along for pure awesome. Crossing my fingers on that one!)

Which pet families are you guys planning on using for raiding?
#2 Nov 25 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Given the massive amount of damage BM pets are doing, I don't think anything but a ferocity pet will work for a BM spec. For other specs there might be some value, however, by all reports mana has not been a problem, and so roar might not be worth it in the end. You'd have to evaluate your dps loss vs mana needs and go from there. I really really doubt cunning pets will be worth it at all

Edited, Nov 25th 2008 11:46am by Xsarus
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#3 Nov 25 2008 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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A few things, and I'm not in the mood to tell them in a nice way, so you're warned. ;)

Cunning pet dps is rubbish compared to ferocity dps.
Ferocity pets have dps, tenacity pets have defense and cunning pets have gimmicks, gimmicks are useless.

For raiding you should never ever even think about using a cunning pet.
Their dps is so bad compared to ferocity pets that you are better off running OoM with a ferocity pet than not running OoM with a cunning pet.

For dps, get a Scorpid, cat or raptor. At this point those are the only viable options.
(if you use a cat, get either 1 or 3 points in Longevity. because of the DoT thing 2 points is worse than 1 which is worse than 3 points.)

Aside from all that, you dont need the mana return.
In a raid you should be able to count on any combination of mana totems, Judgments of Wisdom, Spriests and I think Boomkin have a mana return too.
Either way, you wont be running OoM any time soon.

Simple conclusion at this point: don't use a cunning pet for anything.
#4 Nov 25 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Hi Aethien, not trying to hijack this thread , but i like the way you break things down. Quick question for you pets for pvp. I traded in my scorpion to use the gorilla, I like the gorilla cause of the aoe damage helping out the team so to speak. Do you think it would be more beneficial to go back to a single target pet? In a 1 vs 1 scenario will the scorpion put someone down noticeably faster then the gorilla.

Sorry to the OP just didn't want to make a new thread for a small question.
#5 Nov 25 2008 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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I have not yet reached 80, but for PvP I would still assume that the scorpid is the pet of choice. The sting protection they provide is necessary for PvP, and even though their poison was nerfed for damage, they still crank out DPS. I can not see a Gorilla's AoE stomp being better than a scorpid's poison.
#6 Nov 25 2008 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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According to Megatf, using a crab is the obvious choice.
#7 Nov 26 2008 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:


I wonder if this is due to the change of replenishment? I mean, another high armor pet with the ability to immobilize for 4 seconds is nice- but am I missing something that makes it the ultimate PvP pet?
#8 Nov 26 2008 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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the ability to immobilize for 4 sec.....
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#9 Nov 26 2008 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I still don't get why he would choose a pet with a channeled spell, when one of his primary play aspects during BC was to have his pet always on the healer.
#10 Nov 26 2008 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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It's pretty much a second scatter shot.
only with a slightly longer cooldown and one you can dps through.

It's the perfect setup for a Burst too.
Serpent > aimed > multi > wyvern > readiness > aimed > multi > wyvern.
.........Charge...Pin........................
That's a lot of damage in 12 seconds, of which 5 the target can't run.
And with the amounts of damage Aimed and Wyvern hit for, not to mention the healing debuff, that's 1 dead target whenever you want to. (ignoring exceptions such as bubble here for a moment.)
Hell even if you leave Multi out it hurts like hell and then you can do it on the run.
#11 Nov 26 2008 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Except, if we are still talking about Megatf, he's using a chimera shot build. Still, its a ton of damage.
#12 Nov 26 2008 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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I think Aethien meant chimera and not wyvern

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 7:25pm by Xsarus
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#13 Nov 26 2008 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
the ability to immobilize for 4 sec.....


I know it is a good ability, but I guess I was thinking along the lines that Yuppley was. Pet -> healer for me normally in arenas so I didn't see the benefit of using an imobility spell. I see the use in a burst situation like Aeth pointed out, but I guess I'm still too green in PvP to see the overall picture.
#14 Nov 27 2008 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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That 4 second hold is BIG, when you think about it. There are a lot of situations where that is useful. For example, Warrior is beating on your healer, get him off with your crab. Enemy Drood is LOSing you? Pin him down. That Rogue about to get into LOS of that Wingclipped Drood? Stop him and watch him asplode.

There's just so many situations where a 4 second hold is just too good. And anyways, in those four seconds the enemy healer can't run too far. I mean he miiiight get out of combat and get a few ticks in, but then he's across the arena and you can just blow up his partner. Or, for that matter, you can just charge your pet in and interrupt the drink.
#15 Nov 27 2008 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
I think Aethien meant chimera and not wyvern

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 7:25pm by Xsarus
This, I keep mixing em up in my head >.>
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