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#1 Nov 25 2008 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Simply put, does it affect dots? Say for example, I TotT my tank, open up with a pair of mutilates and then rupture. Does the dot continue to tick hate for the tank? I'm inclined to say no, but I haven't really heard anything either way on it.




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#2 Nov 25 2008 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I would assume it does, for the duration. This would probably be testable on immortals in Blasted Lands.
#3 Nov 25 2008 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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tooltip wrote:
The current party or raid member becomes the target of your Tricks of the Trade. The threat caused by your next attack and all actions taken for 6 seconds afterwards will be transferred to the target. In addition, all damage caused by the target is increased by 15% during this time.


For the duration of Tricks yes the rupture will generate hate for the tank. Although the amount of hate rupture would generate wouldn't be that much and when tricks wears off the rupture would then generate threat for you, so if you're usuing Tricks at the intitial pull, the best bet would be to use another Mutilate.

On a boss fight with two rogues TotT is a great tool. Both rogues TotT the tank then when the CD is up both rogues TotT eachother, basically trading threat for the next 6 seconds and increasing both their damage by 15%. Of course make sure both rogues know to do this or one is going to be pulling 2 X a rogues threat on a boss, which would be interesting if you don't like the other rogue. :)



Edited spelling and boredom



Edited, Nov 25th 2008 11:29am by FinalMeat
#4 Nov 25 2008 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks, this wasn't clear for me either. I've got to say I love TotT so far... combined with Mutilates burst, I basically control who one mob is hitting. Now I can actually have my revenge on stupid PUGs *cackles maniacally*.
#5 Nov 25 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Heh yeah, beware all you priests who laugh at us again. On another note, time to figure out how to make the right macro so i can TotT my focus target.
#6 Nov 25 2008 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [target=Focus]Tricks of the Trade


That one will cast Tricks on your focus.

Elitest Jerks Rogue PVE

Most of your questions can be answered there as well. Extremely long thread though and you have to sift through alot of information to find what you need.
#7 Nov 25 2008 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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That one will cast Tricks on your focus.


That's the same as the one I build yesterday... But while we're one it - there used to be this shackle macro I had for my priest that allowed me to pick a target as focus with my first cast, and then allowed me to recast the spell with a single click (without the need to deselect my current target).

Do you perhaps know how I'd get that set up? Modifying the shackle macro for TotT didn't seem to work for me. I'm scrolling trough the EJ thread as we speak, so I'll edit this post if I happen to come across it there.

Edit: Alright, I came after a couple of different macros for it in that EJ thread, but not quite what I'm after...

Edited, Nov 25th 2008 7:13pm by Mozared
#8 Nov 25 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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I know that one you won't have to deselct your current target if you have your focus set.

I just set my focus using the tilde key " `/~ " and let it stay as my focus then just hit the button assigned for the macro and it will cast Tricks on whoever is the focus without losing white damage or attacking time switching targets.

I'll see what I can dig up for what you're talking about though

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Or you can try setting up two macros for it.

Found this in an older thread from Therion

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/cast [target=targettarget] Tricks of the Trade

Use this on a mob when it's attacking the tank and you're good. I've also been messing with:

/cast [target=focus] Tricks of the Trade

Use in tandem with setting the tank as focus obviously. This works more like a traditional MD and is great when a mob turns to the healer. Either can be useful for different situations. I have yet to try this as a MD pull, but I really really wanna ;D


Edited, Nov 25th 2008 1:37pm by FinalMeat
#9 Nov 25 2008 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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I know that one you won't have to deselct your current target if you have your focus set.

I just set my focus using the tilde key " `/~ " and let it stay as my focus then just hit the button assigned for the macro and it will cast Tricks on whoever is the focus without losing white damage or attacking time switching targets.


Aye, that's what I've currently got set up.

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Or you can try setting up two macros for it.


I suppose that could be useful in some situations, but targettarget is really unreliable if you ask me. Besides, I generally use TotT to either pull or put a stray mob on the healer. In neither of these situations will the mob actually have the tank targetted.

Just hope you can work something out =)
#10 Nov 25 2008 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Those two macro lines are just the bare bones to work with. I posted those as building blocks, not final products. ;)

After last nights raid where I needed to change threat targets several times in one particular fight (oh, Gobby, your adds suck), I'm planning on using a more complex one along the lines of the classic warlock focus-fear (with /clearfocus). But that could also have problems.

Using targettarget means you have to wait for the tank to get initial threat. Using target=focus removed the utility of my MA focus macros and caused targeting problems. So I need to find a happy medium.

Theo posted a more complete macro sample in the quoted thread which presents more ideas on how to make your final macro:

Theo wrote:
You can combine those two.

/cast [target=focus, help, exists] Tricks of the Trade;
/cast [target=targettarget, help, exists] Tricks of the Trade; Tricks of the Trade

The last TotT is to cast it on your target if you don't have a ToT or focus. Keep in mind though, if your target has a ToT that's a player, you'll cast TotT on them. That's why I just use:

/cast [target=focus, help, exists] Tricks of the Trade; Tricks of the Trade

Uses on your focus or your target. I don't have my ToT shown, so that part of my macro is pretty worthless.


Edited, Nov 25th 2008 11:46am by TherionSaysWhat
#11 Nov 25 2008 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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/stopmacro [noexists][target=focus,noexists]
/target focus
/targetlasttarget
/focus
/targetlasttarget
#showtootip
/cast Tricks of The Trade
/stopmacro [noexists][target=focus,noexists]
/target focus
/targetlasttarget
/focus
/targetlasttarget


I'm really hesitant to post this one as I said earlier I'm not extremely good with macros, just basic ones that run off my focus.

This one should, if the tank is your focus, make the tank your primary target, put your primary target as your focus, cast Tricks on the tank, then switch them back so that the tank is your focus and you're back to attacking the mob.

Help me out with this one. I'm at work and I can't test this, and it being the biggest macro I've tried I'm not sure about it.



#12 Nov 25 2008 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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I could give it a try, but it seems a bit... taking the long road to me? Let me copy the Shackle macro I was on about...

#showtooltip Shackle Undead
/clearfocus [modifier:alt][target=focus,dead][target=focus,help][target=focus,noexists]
/focus [target=focus,noexists]
/cast [target=focus]Shackle Undead

The problem with it is that basically... I don't get it, it just works and I'm glad with that. Also, I s'pose it might be helpful Therion, but it doesn't work for me in this case. I'm not ever going to have a main assist, so no need to work around it either.
#13 Nov 25 2008 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll try to get the TotT macro sorted tonight after work. That won't work too well as written Final, good effort though and I think your basic intention is good. It's generally easier to use targettarget rather than actually targeting the tank though (similar to the Paladin "taunt" macro for Righteous Defense).

Edit: Yeah, basically similar to that idea Moz. For raiders using MA-focus macros there might need to be another solution. I'm actually considering just not using focus to follow the MA anyhoo.

Edited, Nov 25th 2008 1:01pm by TherionSaysWhat
#14 Nov 25 2008 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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I see what you're talking about.

I'm redoing my keybinds and everything this week so I was going to put some macros in, I'll work on it and see what comes out of it.

Thanks for the help Therion
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