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#27 Nov 27 2008 at 1:19 AM Rating: Default
Just respecced and trying theo's build. 1g for a respec is kinda nice. Whats your take on Dancing Rune Weapon. Tried it tonight. Seems pretty cool and can deff help you out in sticky situations. Solo'd my 3rd elite tonight. Was 3 levels above my own before I dinged lol. Theo would you consider your build a standard cookie cutter build?
#28 Nov 27 2008 at 3:27 AM Rating: Good
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theos build is max dps

self healing isnt dps, so... spice to taste, but use that for max dps... disregarding all else that a blood dk brings to the table

Yet he has imp Rune Tap which actually takes away DPS.
#29 Nov 27 2008 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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I've been unholy from the start, and i'm always parsing in the top 3 for damage. What most people overlook is the ghoul's output. 150-200dmg/swing is nothing to scoff at. Add that to the ability to tell the ghoul to leap to pull (with no range requirement), and gnaw, which is stun, makes it a useful pet. The DK itself, icy touch > plague strike > scourge strike to finish is incredible damage. Death strike's health return is still great too; i often get 2500 cures, with an all time high of 3210 once. (quest mob, non elite).

Plus, the group bonuses are really appreciated. 15% passive movement speed aura is great for moving your party around quicker and cutting down on travel time.
#30 Nov 27 2008 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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guitarmanofshiva wrote:
I've been unholy from the start, and i'm always parsing in the top 3 for damage. What most people overlook is the ghoul's output. 150-200dmg/swing is nothing to scoff at. Add that to the ability to tell the ghoul to leap to pull (with no range requirement), and gnaw, which is stun, makes it a useful pet. The DK itself, icy touch > plague strike > scourge strike to finish is incredible damage. Death strike's health return is still great too; i often get 2500 cures, with an all time high of 3210 once. (quest mob, non elite).

Plus, the group bonuses are really appreciated. 15% passive movement speed aura is great for moving your party around quicker and cutting down on travel time.

"Top 3" doesn't mean anything. With the balancing of DPS between classes, if by respeccing Blood you could be #1, you should be doing so. You'd also be providing Abom Might for your raid.

Rasen wrote:
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theos build is max dps

self healing isnt dps, so... spice to taste, but use that for max dps... disregarding all else that a blood dk brings to the table

Yet he has imp Rune Tap which actually takes away DPS.

Imp Rune Tap is more of an ******************************************* thing.

I don't use it when I'm DPSing.

mongoosexcore wrote:
swing and a miss theo, he meant mark of blood ;)

Oh, right. My bad.
#31 Nov 27 2008 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Rasen wrote:
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theos build is max dps

self healing isnt dps, so... spice to taste, but use that for max dps... disregarding all else that a blood dk brings to the table

Yet he has imp Rune Tap which actually takes away DPS.


rasen, take a gander... if you see anything in blood he could take instead of imp rune tap, that would increase his dps

let me know ;)
#32 Nov 28 2008 at 1:33 AM Rating: Good
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This is how I plan to do it.

The point isnt that you can use DPS increasing talents in place of the ones spent on Rune Tap, but Bloodworms, while perhaps being a little less effective, not only free up a talent point, but don't use up my main DPS rune and are always active.
#33 Nov 28 2008 at 1:54 AM Rating: Default
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Bloodworms suck compared to Imp Rune Tap.

With DRM running in your normal rotations, using Rune Tap instead of popping a pot (especially with the pot changes) will be great.
#34 Nov 28 2008 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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I'm going to wait and see to be honest. I won't argue that having 20% of your health refunded at the press of a button is useless. I'd just sooner chug a pot as a pot won't cut into my DPS rotation. Which then frees up the talent points to have a nice passive heal for myself (that I will concede isnt as powerful a heal as Rune Tap, but as it's constantly active, I'm willing to bet over the course of a raid, my 3 talent points have gained me more health than your 4.) I can also provide a small heal to the DPSers in the raid.

In terms of an oh sh*t button, I can see the merits of Rune Tap, but frankly I'm not seeing enough oh sh*t situations to make it worth my while losing a Blood Rune.

If I wanted to be truely pedantic, I could also argue Bloodworms is better DPS as they do attack your target and even if they have a DPS of 0.2, that's still 0.2 higher than Rune Tap ;p (Note: I am kinda taking the **** with this point)

Edited, Nov 28th 2008 1:38pm by Rasen
#35 Nov 28 2008 at 11:09 AM Rating: Default
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Yeah, except most people who have Rune Tap have the glyph for it, which heals everyone in your group as well.

The pot thing is kinda a moot point; you can really only pop one pot per boss now, so talking about potting instead of Rune Tapping isn't really feasible.
#36 Nov 30 2008 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
some of those builds look really good.

to be honest, i have overlooked Annihilation in my current build:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Archimonde&n=Alomodk

after looking things over, yeah, some things could (and should) be removed. the things I have that I should take points out of are:
blood aura and ravenous dead.

rune tap is a great 'oh crap' button, if things start to go against you, hit it, and it might be enough to get you back in the game.

is anticipation worth keeping?

(holding off on respecting, again, for the mount and cold weather flying.)
#37 Dec 01 2008 at 1:02 AM Rating: Default
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Jebadia wrote:
some of those builds look really good.

to be honest, i have overlooked Annihilation in my current build:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Archimonde&n=Alomodk

after looking things over, yeah, some things could (and should) be removed. the things I have that I should take points out of are:
blood aura and ravenous dead.

rune tap is a great 'oh crap' button, if things start to go against you, hit it, and it might be enough to get you back in the game.

is anticipation worth keeping?

(holding off on respecting, again, for the mount and cold weather flying.)

Yeah, your Unholy tree could definitely use a reworking. Epidemic is probably, point-for-point, one of the highest DPS talents in Unholy.

Anticipation isn't worth it unless you're tanking (which it doesn't look like you are, since you don't have Blade Barrier.

DRM is very worth it (combined with a Glyph of Death Strike and Epidemic/MoM, I never run out of HP). Blood Aura, IMO, is very lackluster. There are better places you can put talents. Same with Bloodworms.

In my current build (here is the end result, I'm 2 points into Blood-Caked Blade atm), I've played around with it and feel that for soloing this is a stronger build, as well as eventually for PvP. (Frost is the only thing that can hold a candle to it for PvP--IMO--just as a sidenote.)

Soloing is a different beast for DKs than DPS, TBH. Look to my FAQ if you want the be-all-end-all DPS builds. There's better for soloing, though. Especially as you should get Annihilation last in any build.
#38 Dec 01 2008 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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im pretty sure for single target dps, its blood-frost-unholy

and for aoe, its unholy-frost-blood

so frost is good at both, best at none... i thinks anyway

and frost will gain ground with better gear.... its main FU move is obliterate (same with blood), and frost strike actually scales well with weapon dps

will it pass blood? i doubt it, but something to note nonetheless

Unfortunately for those of us that like Frost (and I'm one of them), I think the build is a little underpowered right now when compared to Blood and Unholy. If you don't believe me, just spend a few levels in a cookie-cutter build for all three specs; I have, and once you have you'll probably notice the same difference I did.

Single-target: After trying all three builds I really have to go with Blood > Unholy > Frost here, at least for now. I'm still leveling so I can't comment one whit on scaling at 80, but with plenty of tools available to it, Unholy's ability to really rip through single targets is not to be ignored; I think it just gets overshadowed by the tree's superior AoE abilities and Blood's better single-target DPS. Even if the number machines on EJ crank out roughly comparable digits, hands-on Frost just feels like it kills slower than Unholy and Blood.

AoE: Unholy > Frost > Blood. Nothing really to argue here. No one's saying Blood is completely incapable of AoE (Theo), but Frost and Unholy have more tools for it.
#39 Dec 01 2008 at 7:30 AM Rating: Decent
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ej has frost a little ahead of unholy (not a ton, but a little)

and deathgraf does the same dealie... so im inclided to believe it to still be teh truth

blood beats em both in single target by a noticable amount though -_-

the reason i think frost feels weak is because the damage isnt as noticable, skill wise i mean (and bone shield helps a lot with downtime.... most of the unholy single-target talents are complete by level 70 (SS and ebon plague) while frost improves every level... blah blah things like that)

and less of it is auto-attack damage (blood and unholy both gettin better passive dps boosts then frost)

and since frost lives and dies on crits, thats all most people notice is the flashy 2k+ RS... then the fact killing machine is proccing tons of high-powered IT's

or rime procs = free attacks

but i can see what you mean... im levelin frost with permapet atm, and while im doin damn near the same dps (if pet is alive) it feels a lot stronger

frost aura needs a lil love imo, that spell resist isnt really much

adding +1% hit per talent point would be nice, and make it worth taking... something small.... cuz otherwise im happy with the frost tree :D but this isnt the thread for my wishlists hehe

Edited, Dec 1st 2008 10:34am by mongoosexcore
#40 Jan 02 2009 at 5:24 AM Rating: Decent
being on a pvp server i'd like to max out my dps as well as heals for 1 on 1 fights any sugestions for a lvl 60,70,80
also what rune would u put on the blade?
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