Recent Blue Post Regarding RoguesFollow

Not sure how many people follow MMO-Champion so thought I'd put this up here. Also maybe bring up a little discussion.



So we're working as intended. I kinda felt like in Heroics I was lagging a little behind, but until I raid I'm gonna hold judgement.

You all's thoughts?

Depends on who I'm rolling with. As mute, I really don't expect to out-dps a combat rogue on trash. They have BF/KSpree up every other pull, and between that and Fan of Knives hitting for a lot more with 2.6 speed weapons than 1.4 >.< yeah..

Bosses are a different story though. Even in my slowly improving gear, people have to work hard to catch me on a boss fight.

Only when you type then, eh? :)

I am not doing badly in Heroics but with prevalence of no CC and ae everything tactic. I feel a bit left out, also tanks got a tremendous boost in dps, what's up with a war tank in blues doing 1k+ dps with maximized combat time, which means his dps is even greater in reality. It is kinda un-comforting when tank is doing a significant amount of dmg compared to dps classes.

I am doing everything I can just to stay ahead, so for example at end of instance with good tank, there is like 3mil dmg done by tank and I did 3.4mil. Similarly geared, blowing cds as soon as they are up, EJ accepted rotations. On bosses pull a bit ahead, but believe it or not Trash matters. "This is combat strictly" I am not even going to mention Mut on trash.

Through Spider and Plague quarters and not 1 CC in any trash pull.

Grrr.

Thats what I have found too. I'm glad someone else feels that way. Its hard to keep things going if you have anything else you need to be watching at the same time. I went back to combat, I figured maybe mutilate would work better with practice, but I don't feel like spending time to do that when I can just pick up combat again and go do fun things.

Hemo is too weak a debuff to make up for the loss of personal DPS. I'm pretty sure that has always been the case.

If he can back it up from EJ, it's year-old theorycraft from when tri-spec was actually mildly decent.

Hemo doesn't have a place in raids except in very, very few situations (i.e. putting up the hemo debuff and using HAT to build combo points with a feral druid/ret pally/warrior in your group).

Haven't leveled my hunter in a long while.

Edit: I've all but quit my rogue for my DK. Started him a few days ago and I'm almost to Northrend (should be there tomorrow or the day after). It's glorious.

Edited, Nov 27th 2008 2:17am by Theophany

@_@

The first full day the expansion was out, I was on my DK in hellfire and I had about 250 HKs, usually 2-3 horde at a time, then I outlevelled them and got about 15 HKs for the rest of Outlands.
Most of the horde DK were really terrible, and after I shot through hellfire all the skilled players were too busy levelling to bother with world pvp.

Back to the OP topic, the direction wow is going kinda sucks. The game is a bit too easy. Threat should be something you still have to manage, and the AoE spam shouldnt be as easy as it is now. It feels kinda stupid that we even got TotT because threat doesnt matter. On top of it I'm still very miffed at the previous post about backstab being a primary attack for the sub tree of all things. I see where they want to go with it but anyone who knows what they are doing in pvp wont let a rogue get behind them.

Back to my DK for a while.

^^^This is precisely the frustration my arena partner mentioned today. We hit 80 together, and are in literally the same gear. Mostly Brutal/Guardian's with upgraded weapons from the same questlines. So we naturally run some heroics, and his dps pales in comparison to my ret burst. It's bizarre. I remember him destroying me in the charts when we were boosting guildies through Kara, or ZA.

We did a dps test on the lv 83 raid dummy in Org (hit and crit rating shot to hell, so it wasn't high dps by any means!). In the initial burst, i'm exceeding his dps by about 400. Over a long sustained fight (5 mins+ where i'm starting to go OOM and relying on the 1min cooldown on Divine Plea and arcane torrent for mana) i'm still maintaining a 150 to 200 dps lead on him. This is with a fairly standard combat spec, nothing unfamiliar like mut.

I know rogues famously scale very well with gear though, and as i mentioned, the hit and expertise ratings that combat relies on need to be built back up.

Fan of Knives is pretty underwhelming too. 50 energy for a low damage AoE, when it's just gonna mess up your rotation anyway. It should be much cheaper, or at least spammable so you could pop AR and fling knives around til the non-elites are down =P

Edited, Nov 28th 2008 2:27am by ArtemisEnteri

Well, now that I've been in a somewhat legit raid its not as bad as I thought.

Joined a PuG for 25 man Vaults and I am(still in it as I type) #6 overall and on one of the boss fights I was #2. I was pushing 1.9k-2.1k DPS the entire time as combat. And that's using Blade of Infamy as my MH.

Once my raiding group starts up again full time I'll give more of my thoughts. But either its not as bad as I thought or the other DPS just sucked. The only ones above me were 4 DKs and a Hunter.