When BC came out I noticed my decently-geared fire-mage was only mid-range on the damage meters in instances. I did some research and tweaked my spell rotation started paying attention to what I was doing and moved right to the top. It was good times!
Couple of patched later and suddenly I'm being pwned by the beastmaster-hunters >.< I can live with this, I suppose. It's only one tree of one class and I still outdo them when it comes to AOE.
Then Blizz buffed the good ole volley, and I don't even get my AOE-funsauce-look-I-just-creamed-you-all-on-damage moment anymore.
Now WOTLK comes out and we are running instances. Boomkins are suddenly the in-thing and now I'm getting outdone by them as well. WTF?
I thought I had a strong spell rotation. In instance focus target it's:
Living Bomb ~ Scorch Scorch (got the glyph)~ Fireball x5 redoing Living Bomb as needed.
For AOE I go:
Living Bomb (onto off target) ~ Dragon's Breath ~ Flamestrike ~ Arcane Explosion til Dragon Breath CD is up, then repeat
Here's my armory so any clue what teh heck I'm doing wrong? I hate being a noob but I'm really just not getting it.
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This is just my opinion, and you are higher level than I have gotten yet, but Fire seems to be a broken tree with lack of Direction.
Most people try to use Fire now adays to fish for Hot Streaks, but even this is not really that great. Fact of the matter seems to be that since 3.0 Frost and Arcane outdamage Fire in both realms of Solo and Group play. Ontop of that, both are better suited for PVP encounters as they both offer snares and better ways to protect yourself.
That being said, I havn't figured out what exactly Blizzard intended us to do with Fire... If you figure something out you may find Fire to be right-on again - but for now at 74 I have found fire to be completely lacking in Damage, Utility, or survivabily.
Most people try to use Fire now adays to fish for Hot Streaks, but even this is not really that great. Fact of the matter seems to be that since 3.0 Frost and Arcane outdamage Fire in both realms of Solo and Group play. Ontop of that, both are better suited for PVP encounters as they both offer snares and better ways to protect yourself.
That being said, I havn't figured out what exactly Blizzard intended us to do with Fire... If you figure something out you may find Fire to be right-on again - but for now at 74 I have found fire to be completely lacking in Damage, Utility, or survivabily.
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I was afraid someone would day this >.< I like fire. I've always been a fire mage. I'm comfortable with it. If I wanted to be forced into one particular spec I'd be playing a hunter.
But I have seen two other mages who were mediocre at best as fire mages totally pwn as arcane and frost.
Hmmm, maybe I'll have to try one out :P
But I have seen two other mages who were mediocre at best as fire mages totally pwn as arcane and frost.
Hmmm, maybe I'll have to try one out :P
Fire is still fine. Problem is that it relies so much on things like Ignites(which have a tendency to not tick all the way on trash mobs) and Instant Pyroblasts(which also lose damage as their DoTs don't do their full damage before the mob dies) that you'll tend towards appearing low on the meters. Frostfire experiences the same problem.
Fire(and Frostfire, for that matter) excels on Boss mobs(especially raid bosses). To compare it to other specs on trash mobs is a comparison of apples to sandpaper as it were.
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That being said, I havn't figured out what exactly Blizzard intended us to do with Fire... If you figure something out you may find Fire to be right-on again - but for now at 74 I have found fire to be completely lacking in Damage, Utility, or survivabily.
Fire(and Frostfire, for that matter) excels on Boss mobs(especially raid bosses). To compare it to other specs on trash mobs is a comparison of apples to sandpaper as it were.
That and we depend highly on higher crit rating. When you go from 70-80 with the same gear your crit drops by about 15% (almost half) for me.
Pretty significant.
Pretty significant.
Anobix the Wise wrote:
That and we depend highly on higher crit rating. When you go from 70-80 with the same gear your crit drops by about 15% (almost half) for me.
Pretty significant.
Pretty significant.
True, though Moonkins are also highly reliant upon crit so it should be hurting them pretty badly too.
I thought this was always a problem for fire. The fire rotation was alway scorch, then FB. On trash, you just don't get the time needed to get the Damage up...
Plus - Arcane is really bursty now.
Plus - Arcane is really bursty now.
Borsuk wrote:
I thought this was always a problem for fire. The fire rotation was alway scorch, then FB. On trash, you just don't get the time needed to get the Damage up...
Plus - Arcane is really bursty now.
Plus - Arcane is really bursty now.
Arcane excels in 5mans because bosses die so quickly.
One word that sums up the problem with fire mages is survivabily. I was hoping that WOW was going give fire mage some more survivabily. I like to see fire mage get a shield that would stop damages for 10 second got or less all damage by 50% for 20 second. Anything that would increased survivabily for fire. I love fire but I been force go to frost for survivabily in questing/bg.
Well, in my honest opinion, fire has always been bad about questing/BGs. It has/had decent burst, but you depend too much on procs and timers rather than frost or arcane.
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My damage meter experiences were all in 5-man instances. I hadn't bothered opening up with Frostfire because it seemed to me to be handy for questing/soloing, but not so much a tool for instances where you have a tank holding things off you. I did stack more crit and in instance it's about 29-30% so I get my instant Pyros and use them as much as possible.
Survivability ... there is always ice-block, but then I'm useless standing there in a block of ice. May as well go all out and die in the end as stand there frozen not doing anything but staying alive. I don't mind dying and repair bills, except that I do no damage dead either.
Now I'm 80 and have mirror image to play with. Haven't used it in an instance yet, but soloing my meter shows the mini-me's doing a pathetic amount of damage. They did take a couple hits for me though, which may increase my survivability. Would be nice if they'd use spells in my spec ... darn things stand there and frostbolt/arcane-missile. >.<
Survivability ... there is always ice-block, but then I'm useless standing there in a block of ice. May as well go all out and die in the end as stand there frozen not doing anything but staying alive. I don't mind dying and repair bills, except that I do no damage dead either.
Now I'm 80 and have mirror image to play with. Haven't used it in an instance yet, but soloing my meter shows the mini-me's doing a pathetic amount of damage. They did take a couple hits for me though, which may increase my survivability. Would be nice if they'd use spells in my spec ... darn things stand there and frostbolt/arcane-missile. >.<
use mirror image as a threat reduction ability as it splits yours between you and your images. Oh and you being encased in ice while the tank gets threat back is 500x better than being dead where you are entirely useless
Hmm, I had high hopes for mirror image as a PvP ability but it sounds like it's quite simple to figure out which one is the mage. Is that the case?
And yeah, agree with Anobix on Ice Block. Not many classes have as good an oh-sh*t button if they pull aggro. FD can be resisted, remember, and aoe will expose vanish. IB is a sure thing.
And yeah, agree with Anobix on Ice Block. Not many classes have as good an oh-sh*t button if they pull aggro. FD can be resisted, remember, and aoe will expose vanish. IB is a sure thing.
Moonkins are crazy right now.
That said, I don't even care about damage meters in 5 mans. I do the best DPS I possibly can and whatever happens, happens. Only time I care is on a raid boss.
That said, I don't even care about damage meters in 5 mans. I do the best DPS I possibly can and whatever happens, happens. Only time I care is on a raid boss.
I am always puzzled when people start to worry about the amount of damage done in a group setting , does it not always depend on what other classes and buffs that are available ?.
Anyway as long as the damage is reasonable and is done on the right targets so the group does not wipe ( been there seen that happen ) i am just happy to be a part of a decent group and do the best that i can , i play with the spec i like in each class that i play and do not expect to be the highest DPS in any group , but then again i do prefer frost as a Mage so cannot really comment on a fire build as i prefer to survive even if it does less damage than fire probably could.
I am pretty sure if fire spec is that bad it will soon be tweaked anyway and i believe from memory that blizzard did say there would be some tweaking of talents to try and even things up.
As you like fire then just go with the flow now as even the experts here have no real answers it seems.
Anyway as long as the damage is reasonable and is done on the right targets so the group does not wipe ( been there seen that happen ) i am just happy to be a part of a decent group and do the best that i can , i play with the spec i like in each class that i play and do not expect to be the highest DPS in any group , but then again i do prefer frost as a Mage so cannot really comment on a fire build as i prefer to survive even if it does less damage than fire probably could.
I am pretty sure if fire spec is that bad it will soon be tweaked anyway and i believe from memory that blizzard did say there would be some tweaking of talents to try and even things up.
As you like fire then just go with the flow now as even the experts here have no real answers it seems.
sandralover wrote:
I am always puzzled when people start to worry about the amount of damage done in a group setting , does it not always depend on what other classes and buffs that are available ?.
Anyway as long as the damage is reasonable and is done on the right targets so the group does not wipe ( been there seen that happen ) i am just happy to be a part of a decent group and do the best that i can , i play with the spec i like in each class that i play and do not expect to be the highest DPS in any group , but then again i do prefer frost as a Mage so cannot really comment on a fire build as i prefer to survive even if it does less damage than fire probably could.
I am pretty sure if fire spec is that bad it will soon be tweaked anyway and i believe from memory that blizzard did say there would be some tweaking of talents to try and even things up.
As you like fire then just go with the flow now as even the experts here have no real answers it seems.
Anyway as long as the damage is reasonable and is done on the right targets so the group does not wipe ( been there seen that happen ) i am just happy to be a part of a decent group and do the best that i can , i play with the spec i like in each class that i play and do not expect to be the highest DPS in any group , but then again i do prefer frost as a Mage so cannot really comment on a fire build as i prefer to survive even if it does less damage than fire probably could.
I am pretty sure if fire spec is that bad it will soon be tweaked anyway and i believe from memory that blizzard did say there would be some tweaking of talents to try and even things up.
As you like fire then just go with the flow now as even the experts here have no real answers it seems.
that depends on the group setup/guild that you are in. In my guild if you are not holding up your end of the dps meter compared to similarly geared/specced players (which you should be min/maxing) you will be sat for someone who does better.
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