Hey guys im relatively new to posting here but just had a few questions for all you regular posters.Ive been a BM hunter from day 1,was MM from 62-70 and for a while at 70 but then later respecced to BM for raiding.I have never tried out Survival pre 3.0 or post 3.0 and i have yet tried out MM after 3.0.So my few questions are:
1)How are you guys liking MM post 3.0?What kind of shot rotation are you using?and what build are you planning on/using?
2)How does SV stack up with lvling and 5 mans?Raids?What does it help do other than make you a CC master?
3)What kind of Shot rotation should i be using as full BM?Spam Steady and occasionally throw in an Aimed shot or Arc Shot?
Any help would be appreciated
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A lot of questions I'll try and answer them all
1) Post 3.0MM is somewhat competitive but it uses a lot mana. I don't like it that much but that varies greatly between different players. Shot rotation is basically steady-shot spam and chimera shot everytime the CD is up (and a serpent sting at the start of the fight so that your steadies do 10% more damage and your chimera shot does more damage). With the trueshotaura glyph you might want to add a aimed shot now and then (when improved steady shot proccs).
2) I have not tried SV yet but currently it cannot compete dmg wise with BM or MM. Besides CC you get mana regen for your group/raid. Every special shot crit proccs replenishment wich restores 0.25% of max mana per second on the 10 players with the lowest mana. But shadow priests and ret pallies also can proc replenishment and usually you want both of them to be in your raid.
3) As a BM your shot rotation should be steady spam. With a BM raidspec you won't have aimed shot. Throwing in an arcane shot now and then will give you additional dps, but it is not that much (and costs a lot of mana). One hunter should always keep serpent sting up (with the steadyshot glyph this shot does 10% more damage when the mob has serpent sting on it). So if you have no mm hunter in your raid (as my raid does), one hunter should keep serpent sting up.
1) Post 3.0MM is somewhat competitive but it uses a lot mana. I don't like it that much but that varies greatly between different players. Shot rotation is basically steady-shot spam and chimera shot everytime the CD is up (and a serpent sting at the start of the fight so that your steadies do 10% more damage and your chimera shot does more damage). With the trueshotaura glyph you might want to add a aimed shot now and then (when improved steady shot proccs).
2) I have not tried SV yet but currently it cannot compete dmg wise with BM or MM. Besides CC you get mana regen for your group/raid. Every special shot crit proccs replenishment wich restores 0.25% of max mana per second on the 10 players with the lowest mana. But shadow priests and ret pallies also can proc replenishment and usually you want both of them to be in your raid.
3) As a BM your shot rotation should be steady spam. With a BM raidspec you won't have aimed shot. Throwing in an arcane shot now and then will give you additional dps, but it is not that much (and costs a lot of mana). One hunter should always keep serpent sting up (with the steadyshot glyph this shot does 10% more damage when the mob has serpent sting on it). So if you have no mm hunter in your raid (as my raid does), one hunter should keep serpent sting up.
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Thanks for the insight,I actually decided to bite the bullet and I respecced to full SV last night after i hit 74.Havent really gotten a chance to test it out on actual mobs my lvl.Those test dummies dont quite measure up imo :P.So far from just ******** around on those dummies it doesnt really seem all that great,but im going to test it out today and ill post more of my thoughts on it either later tonight or tomorrow.thanks again!
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Yea so after some testing here and there and a couple respecs i decided to go back to my tried and true BM spec.I think it really just comes down to speccing for what your used to.SV for me seemed cool but kinda crappy in close quarters situations like in caves and stuff like that,you gotta have room to kite em around otherwise your screwed.Same with MM just you have a few more ranged attacks to nuke em with.I might consider making a SV raiding spec once i hit 80 since i got slayed by a SV hunter in a Drak'tharon keep run i did last night lol.He was top dps with 37 percent and surprisingly i was in last place right above the healer.Which does'nt make sense to me since i was popping my all my CDs everytime they were available and on every boss fight i was trying my hardest to keep up my dps.so idk it still bothers me that i was last dps despite doing everything i could to top the charts
Would you mind posting your armory link? That would help a bit in understanding where you are at in terms of spec and gear.
If the SV hunter out dpsed you there might be a ton of reasons besides the spec (because SV spec is currently the worst tree for DPS in raids).
Perhaps his damage meter did not merge pets, or he did not reset it at the start of the instance or he outgeared you by a fair bit or because of a thousand other reasons ;)
If the SV hunter out dpsed you there might be a ton of reasons besides the spec (because SV spec is currently the worst tree for DPS in raids).
Perhaps his damage meter did not merge pets, or he did not reset it at the start of the instance or he outgeared you by a fair bit or because of a thousand other reasons ;)
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Kinda new to this,so im not quite sure to how link that in here :(
Mindpotion wrote:
Kinda new to this,so im not quite sure to how link that in here :(
Normally you just copy and paste the link. Like here's mine.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Sysloasler
I used to run BM, but since the patch i tried this. I haven't played much lately though.. I have maybe 6 bars of XP to 71.
But I don't know why anyone says MM mana efficiency is bad. -10% to all shot mana costs, -25% to steady shot costs, a chance to reduce arcane, aimed, or chimera shot cost by 20%, and -60% to all shot costs while under Rapid fire. And a 6% mana return on kills.
And with the glyph of Aimed Shot, it's my cheapest shot even without an improved Steady proc.
Ehcks wrote:
But I don't know why anyone says MM mana efficiency is bad. -10% to all shot mana costs, -25% to steady shot costs, a chance to reduce arcane, aimed, or chimera shot cost by 20%, and -60% to all shot costs while under Rapid fire. And a 6% mana return on kills.
You also forget wild quiver which is bonus nature damage for free! Although I do not run MM yet, a few hunters in my guild does and they do very well mana-wise. Even playing MM you are going to use Steady as your main shot and probably throw up a sting for the glyph and keep the sting sustained with chimera -> not a huge drain on mana over being BM IMO.
Ehcks wrote:
And with the glyph of Aimed Shot, it's my cheapest shot even without an improved Steady proc.
Aimed or Arcane? Arcane is 20% less with serpent up.
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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dunemaul&n=Bigtoe
there ya go,let me know what ya think
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 11:27pm by Mindpotion
there ya go,let me know what ya think
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 11:27pm by Mindpotion
Mulgrin wrote:
3) As a BM your shot rotation should be steady spam. With a BM raidspec you won't have aimed shot. Throwing in an arcane shot now and then will give you additional dps, but it is not that much (and costs a lot of mana). One hunter should always keep serpent sting up (with the steadyshot glyph this shot does 10% more damage when the mob has serpent sting on it). So if you have no mm hunter in your raid (as my raid does), one hunter should keep serpent sting up.
Glyph of Steady Shot only works with your serpent sting, nothing else.
It also does not stack with the 4pc T6 bonus. (at least, that's what people on EJ are saying, I can't test this because I don;t have 4pc T6)
Mindpotion wrote:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dunemaul&n=Bigtoe
there ya go,let me know what ya think
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 11:27pm by Mindpotion
there ya go,let me know what ya think
Edited, Nov 26th 2008 11:27pm by Mindpotion
I think your gear selection is ok. There are no big mistakes.
The only thing I noticed is that you have gemmed for haste rating which really is a waste. Gem for hit / agi / ap or crit. While leveling it is more than ok to chose rather cheap gems (a few gold in the AH), but using some gems makes you kill stuff faster which is always good.
If you know an enchanter you might get some super cheap enchants on some items. If not, don't mind, you'll replace all your gear once you are 80, so don't spend to much on enchants while leveling.
Talents are ok, but you might want some different points for more damage output. You usually want to spend 3/3 points in careful aim since that boosts your attack power and mortal shots is not a very good talent anymore (since the 30% crit damage bonus only counts on special attacks, not on autoshot damage, which reduces the usefulness of this talent, especially if you have a rather low crit rate). You currently have 18% crit and at level 80 you will start with around 15% crit.
You currently have 1/3 in careful aim. By shifting 2 points from mortal shots into careful aim you can get 192attack power for free (and even more if you get better gear or if you have mark of the wild, arcane intellect and blessing of kings buffs).
The BM points may be reassigned a bit for more damage, but the key talents are there, so it is ok for leveling.
As for glyphs I'd look in the AH for glyph of steadyshot and glyph of bestial wrath. Buy them if they are cheap. They are really worth it.
While the steadyshot glyph will push your damage in boss fights, the bestial wrath glyph will be good in all situations including leveling.
Steadyshot glyph on my realm... 175-225g >.>
Still worth every penny though, it's the best dps glyph by miles.
Still worth every penny though, it's the best dps glyph by miles.
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So other than the careful aim points,which BM points would you move around?
browningguns wrote:
Ehcks wrote:
And with the glyph of Aimed Shot, it's my cheapest shot even without an improved Steady proc.
Aimed or Arcane? Arcane is 20% less with serpent up.
Aimed Shot. I don't use the arcane shot glyph, yet, but I think I'll have the Aimed, Arcane, and Steady Shot glyphs when I hit 80.
Forgot about steady?
Aimed is 8% of base mana, steady is 5%
Aimed costs more than steady even with the glyph.
Aimed is 8% of base mana, steady is 5%
Aimed costs more than steady even with the glyph.
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