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#52 Dec 08 2008 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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I meant for Demo Raid DPS, not just plain raid DPS. I'll fix it.

Edited, Dec 8th 2008 1:43pm by Lathais

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Ok, first of all, Felguard is almost a must for Demo raid DPS. He provides the most damage of any of the pets, and increases your damage and a little survivability on the AoEs. Deep Demo without the Felguard is almost pointless. Maybe, if your healers don't heal your pet(mine do in raids and 5-mans) or if you totally suck and pet managemnt, you could alter the spec some and Imp might be more useful.


There, I think that's worded a little better.

Edited, Dec 8th 2008 1:57pm by Lathais
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#53 Dec 14 2008 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I apologize if this has already been addressed, but if you're talented for both hit talents (cataclysm and suppression), do they stack and therefore lower your spell hit cap even more?
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#54 Dec 15 2008 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
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no. suppression only provides 3% hit for afliction spells, and cataclysm only provides 3% for destruction spells. in other words, if you only take one of these 2 talents, your hit cap is NOT lowered. you would still need 17% hit for ALL of your spells to have a 0% chance to miss. but if you take BOTH talents then your hit cap is lowered to 14%
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#55 Dec 15 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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If you take both suppression and cataclysm you spell hit cap is lowered to 14% on all spells but enslave demon, banish, and Soulshatter as these are demonology spells. Due to the gear out now I would still use the talents, however once ulduar comes out and gear become more balanced stat wise I would try to meet the hit cap with out talents. An unlucky resist for a banish can create a few deaths and anyone who has had a soulshatter resisted when your at 125% on a tanks threat can tell you how much that sucks.
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#56 Dec 15 2008 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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actually the hit cap for banish won't be 17%.. it'll be 6% as there will be no banishable/enslavable mobs of lvl.83, they'll all be lvl.82 max as lvl.83 is reserved for bosses only (which, currently at least there's never been a banish/enslavable boss, just their adds). but you would still want to be hit capped for the soulshatter side of it.. just wanted to point out a random fact :P
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#57 Dec 15 2008 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
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so, if I'm doing my math right, hit cap with both suppression and cataclysm is 384?
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#58 Dec 16 2008 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
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something around there... but if you have a Spriest/moonkin in the raid you get another 3% hit buff bringing the cap down to around 290 hit, i forget the exact amount but basically in a properly thought out raid your hit cap should be 11%
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#59 Dec 16 2008 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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No Buffs		17 x 26.23 = 445.91 
Dranei			16 x 26.23 = 419.68  
Talented		14 x 26.23 = 367.22 
Boomkin			13 x 26.23 = 340.99 
Dranei + Talents	13 x 26.23 = 340.99 
Dranei + Boomkin	12 x 26.23 = 314.76 
Boomkin + Talents	10 x 26.23 = 262.3 
All Three		9  x 26.23 = 236.07


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#60 Dec 16 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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umm.. your maths are a bit off there... talented is 14x26.23 and boomkin/Spriest is the same (3% bonus hit), so also 14 x 26.23.

all 3 = 3% talented, 3% from debuff, 1% from aura. so going from 17% to 10%. for horde 11% as they can't get the aura.

therefore the hit cap is 262.3 for alliance or 288.53 for horde, presuming you have all the buffs.
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#61 Dec 16 2008 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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ok, well, you can fix it when I send you the guide it's in, lol. If I get around to working on the rest of it.
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#62 Dec 16 2008 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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actually the hit cap for banish won't be 17%.. it'll be 6% as there will be no banishable/enslavable mobs of lvl.83, they'll all be lvl.82 max as lvl.83 is reserved for bosses only (which, currently at least there's never been a banish/enslavable boss, just their adds).


Damn it, i knew that. I gotta start paying attention before I post stuff.
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#63 Dec 19 2008 at 5:45 AM Rating: Decent
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In other words, stop worrying about hit. Done. I prefer the damage anyway, and find hit a hindrance when trying to stack it.


Agree. My hit keeps dropping with quest rewards in WotLK, but my bonus damage is almost 1400. Considering mobs are at < 25% health before they think about breaking from the VW and attacking me, I do fine. By then Nightfall has procced, so BANG. Life Tap, patch-heal the VW, and onto the next mob.
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