Merits of combat PvPFollow

nvm .. I should L2R

Edited, Nov 29th 2008 8:46am by robertlofthouse

I tried a build similar to theo's but I found that in parties anyways, it felt like I was trying to to two things at once, so I dropped the backstab and evisc talents and used a slow fist MH weapon I got 'Greed' and just went with opening with a few hemos, a SnD round, rupture round, and then evisc and refreshing SnD or rupture. No time for vanish ambush or backstab.

then i played my own sh*t and it went somethin' like this

I felt that either I should try to make a build really good at ambush/backstab or at spamming finishing moves, and with how powerful Honor Among Thieves is right now, that one won out; because even in an ambush build, why wouldn't you take it? Then you're back at trying to do two things good at once again.

The ability is seriously broken. 'cannot happen more than once a second' my ***. It fills my combo points so fast it glitches the meter. I'll end up with the first and fourth combo dots lit up with nothing inbetween. Basically I just do finishing moves as fast as I have energy for. Its unfortunate that they made it so you just can't quite get a point in HAT and Adrenaline Rush. :P

If I was a night elf, I might try making a spambush build, but as it is, I could never make it as good as a night elf, so I'll let one of them try.


Edited, Nov 29th 2008 5:01am by digitalcraft

Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about karma? There's a reason you get downrated as soon as you mention it...

I just proved I could hit a 7.6k evis on a 10% armor 0 resil target, proving him wrong.

HAT means that it can only proc once a second PER PERSON. Meaning that basically if someone is AoEing, then you can't just spam finishers as fast as you possibly can because they're critting so much on their AoE.

Other than that, yeah, you really only have energy for finishers in a HAT build.

No, you did not. One, learn the meaning of the word average, two, you could have had more than 3k AP at the time, or be under DD.



I never said that, do not misquote me. It wasn't a theory, either, and it certainly wasn't violated unless he had 3k ap or under at the time. He could also have had DD up but I would like to point out I was talking about an OPENING eviscerate.

Edited, Nov 29th 2008 3:47pm by Kavekk

No, I said you would not hit that much on a normal player using evi when they were at max hp (a CB evi right after CS, the one you were proposing hit for 7.5k). You could have easily taken that picture using an evi on a player under 35% hp. As mutilate, I got a 9 k crit on a guy under imp KS and under 35% hp, but that has no bearing. Show me a video of you, with ap displayed, critting 7.5k after CS on someone with 10% armour and I'll admit that the forumla is incorrect.

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Me too.

Your math is wrong Kavekk.

[1977+AP*0.15]-[2231+AP*0.35] Formula for Eviscerate
Zafire's Damage with 2776 AP is 2393.4-3202.6
Average hit is 2798 (You have it being 2727)
Damage increasing talents
Master of Subtlety 110% Damage
Improved Eviscerate 120% Damage
Lethality 230% Critical Strike Damage Bonus (You forgot to account for this)

Zafire's Average Eviscerate Critical on targets with 0 armor and 0 resilience will be 8494.728
Zafire's Maximum would be 9723.0936
Zafire is correct when he says he can crit someone for 7.5K.
With the Resilience cap of 1230 Resilience Rating (Good luck reaching that with the current gear)
MMO Champion's numbers
And a target with 20% armor reduction
Zafire could still hit for ~6662.43 Maximum Eviscerate Damage
target with 10% armor reduction and the Resil Cap Zafire would hit ~7495.24 Max Evis
I'm not saying his spec is the best I just feel that if you are going to argue with him at least use the math correctly or stop telling him he is wrong when you yourself can't do the math correctly.

Thirdeded.

Sorry about that, I didn't really understand what "combo moves" indicated.
I hate vague wording :(