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#1 Nov 23 2008 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
Raptor strike, arcane shot...are they "extra" attacks in addition to your regular hits, or how do they work? I've been told raptor strike never hits and isn't any good at all. Is that true or not, have examples so I can show someone else :).

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#2 Nov 23 2008 at 2:23 AM Rating: Good
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Arcane Shot is an extra shot. It does not interrupt or replace an autoshot, so if you hit it at the right time, you can see the two shots going off at the same time. While leveling, it can suck up mana really fast, so use is sparingly. After you get Steady Shot (I forget what level it was lowered to.) you'll hardly ever use it.

Raptor strike is a melee attack, and is dependent on your melee hit chance. If your melee weapon skill is very low (you can check by hitting "k"), your hit chance with that weapon will be very low, and chances are high you'll miss. If you keep up with your weapon skill, you'll hit most of the time.


If you ever get into melee range of your target, a REALLY handy macro to hit is:

/cast Raptor Strike
/cast Wing Clip

It'll cast Raptor Strike to make a really big melee hit, and then instantly cast Wing Clip to slow down your target while you get back to range.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2008 5:24am by ProjectMidnight
#3 Nov 23 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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ProjectMidnight wrote:
If you ever get into melee range of your target, a REALLY handy macro to hit is:

/cast Raptor Strike
/cast Wing Clip

It'll cast Raptor Strike to make a really big melee hit, and then instantly cast Wing Clip to slow down your target while you get back to range

Is this still necessary? IIRC, Wing Clip no longer does damage, just the slowing effect.

Raptor Strike adds damage to your next melee attack (be it normal weapon swing or Mongoose Bite). Arcane Shot is an instant-cast shot that does arcane damage according to the tooltip.

Have you actually tried reading the spell tooltips? They tend to tell you what the ability does...
#4 Nov 23 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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Rykhorne wrote:

Is this still necessary? IIRC, Wing Clip no longer does damage, just the slowing effect.


It's still necessary if you want to slow down your target without having to hit another button. They still cast with 1 keystroke of the macro, so there's no reason not to. The reason to use Wing Clip was never to do damage, it was to slow the target and make it easier to get away. The great thing about it not doing damage, is now you can wingclip a trap and not break it.

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Raptor Strike adds damage to your next melee attack (be it normal weapon swing or Mongoose Bite).

No. Raptor Strike *IS* your next attack and completely independent from Mongoose Bite or any other special. Test it out for yourself. Go melee something, hit Raptor Strike, and immediately hit Mongoose Bite. If you look at your combat log, they are two separate lines, and two separate hits of damage.

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Have you actually tried reading the spell tooltips? They tend to tell you what the ability does...

Have you? You clearly didn't understand the mechanics of Raptor Strikes. I don't see anything about whether it misses a lot, or if Arcane Shot is an extra attack (as opposed to replacing an auto shot). The guy asked legitimate and uncommon questions.
#5 Nov 23 2008 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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midnight wrote:
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Raptor Strike adds damage to your next melee attack (be it normal weapon swing or Mongoose Bite).

No. Raptor Strike *IS* your next attack and completely independent from Mongoose Bite or any other special. Test it out for yourself. Go melee something, hit Raptor Strike, and immediately hit Mongoose Bite. If you look at your combat log, they are two separate lines, and two separate hits of damage.
Raptor strike adds damage to your next white damage melee attack. It has the same functionality as heroic strike. Mongoose Bite has nothing to do with white damage and hence is independent of raptor strike. Melee attack refers to white damage only. So you're both wrong! and both right.
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#6 Nov 23 2008 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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The point of spamming wing clip isn't for the slowing effect, its for the imp wc proc. If you didn't spec into imp wc, you'd be wasting a ton of mana by spamming it in melee.
#7 Nov 23 2008 at 8:07 PM Rating: Good
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
midnight wrote:
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Raptor Strike adds damage to your next melee attack (be it normal weapon swing or Mongoose Bite).

No. Raptor Strike *IS* your next attack and completely independent from Mongoose Bite or any other special. Test it out for yourself. Go melee something, hit Raptor Strike, and immediately hit Mongoose Bite. If you look at your combat log, they are two separate lines, and two separate hits of damage.
Raptor strike adds damage to your next white damage melee attack. It has the same functionality as heroic strike. Mongoose Bite has nothing to do with white damage and hence is independent of raptor strike. Melee attack refers to white damage only. So you're both wrong! and both right.


I wasn't wrong at all D:
#8REDACTED, Posted: Nov 24 2008 at 5:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Umm yes you were, that macro no longer works correctly unless you happen to be swinging with a melee attack anyways. because wing clip no longer causes damage, raptor strike wont proc off of it.
#9 Nov 24 2008 at 6:51 AM Rating: Decent
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montaghar wrote:
Umm yes you were, that macro no longer works correctly unless you happen to be swinging with a melee attack anyways. because wing clip no longer causes damage, raptor strike wont proc off of it.

raptor strike rank 11:
A strong attack that increases melee damage by 335.
4% of base mana, 5 yd range, Next melee, 6 sec cooldown

Wing Clip:
Maims the enemy, reducing the target's movement speed by 50% for 10 sec.
6% of base mana, 5 yd range, Instant cast
Listen idiot, We've been over how raptor strike works, how it's always worked earlier in the thread. Now normally I'm pretty patient, but when someone is posting completely false information and insisting they're right, I get a bit pissed off. Raptor strike affects melee damage. That always refers to white damage. Anything else is special damage. Raptor has never procced off of wing clip.
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#10REDACTED, Posted: Nov 24 2008 at 7:00 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) listen idiot, i was saying you were right, learn to read my post
#11 Nov 24 2008 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Aside for the part where you weren't. Raptor strike never procced off wing end. I've been using the macro and haven't had any problem with it. Because normally going into melee isn't a common thing the raptor strike will almost always go off. If you turn off the autoattack toggle in the interface you'll actually do an instant strike the moment you hit the button. this does mess up your autoshots so you need to add !autoshot to your steady macro.

I was out of line with the idiot comment though, I was in a bad mood.
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#12 Nov 24 2008 at 9:27 AM Rating: Default
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Raptor strike never procced off wing end

thats because it used to cause damage by itself, the change to it is recent. but i understand what your saying, i just dont think you understand what im trying to say.

Edited, Nov 24th 2008 12:29pm by montaghar

Ok, i re-read everything and can see where what i said is confusing. But this is what it translates to:
Project said that raptor strike *is* your next melee. That is wrong. It may cause you to melee attack when you hit it, but its still not your next attack, because as the tooltip states, it does no damage, just adds to it.

The whole point i was trying to make about the wingclip thing is that it has nothing to do with raptor strike, but it came out confusing. Sorry bout that.



Edited, Nov 24th 2008 12:44pm by montaghar
#13 Nov 24 2008 at 11:55 AM Rating: Default
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Sorry? After calling members idiots numerous times? Just admit that you were wrong, and that the other person was correct. If you can't see that after 1 fully detailed post by another member, then you don't post again, only to apologize the third time. We don't need to deal with this sh*t, I'm sure that if more people were here, you would have been sub d'd instantly. Don't post false information again. If you think you're right and you aren't, think of how idiotic you will look after.

Edit: Yeah, getting all pissy at me works too guys.

Edited, Nov 24th 2008 7:58pm by Yuppley
#14 Nov 24 2008 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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montaghar wrote:

Project said that raptor strike *is* your next melee. That is wrong. It may cause you to melee attack when you hit it, but its still not your next attack, because as the tooltip states, it does no damage, just adds to it.


I wasn't wrong, I worded it the way I did because you tried to say that it added damage to any hit, including Mongoose Bite. The rest of your post suggested that it used to add damage to the wingclip, but since wingclip no longer does damage, Raptor Strike would no longer work.

It does still work. If you do it and look in your combat log you would see something like (and I'm paraphrasing):

Your Raptor Strike hits for xxx damage
Your Mongoose Bite hits for xxx damage
Your Wingclip hits
#15 Nov 24 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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wingclip
disengage
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#16 Nov 24 2008 at 3:08 PM Rating: Default
Ok, i only called sir an idiot because he called me one, i called no one else an idiot, nor did i do it multiple times, nor did i ever mention mongoose bite, but for the sake of dropping this

i was wrong, i will not post false information again, happy hunting :)
#17 Nov 24 2008 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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To be fair I did call him one first Smiley: grin Also Rykhorn was the person who was talking about wing clip not montaghar.

Also my name's Xsarus

Edited, Nov 24th 2008 7:30pm by Xsarus
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#18 Nov 24 2008 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I would accept sir, think of all the awesome conversations you could end up with!

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Sir, what is the best pet?


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Boar, now go to petopia.


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Thanks sir!
#19 Nov 25 2008 at 4:47 AM Rating: Default
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Also my name's Xsarus


Duly noted :) sir is just easier to type
#20 Nov 25 2008 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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To get all the correct information in 1 post (because this thread is confusing as hell now):

Raptor Strike:
Adds X damage to your next melee attack.
Melee attack here means next normal melee strike, or white hit.
It adds that amount of damage, and it will show up in your combatlog as "raptor strike hit/crit for X amount"

Wing clip:
Deals no damage, slows the enemy that's it.

Mongoose Bite:
deals X damage, this is a separate attack and it will go off the second you use it.


So to answer the OP's questions: Raptor strike is an attack that adds damage to your next normal attack, arcane shot, mongoose bite and your other shots are extra attacks that will fire independently from your normal "white" hits.
#21 Nov 26 2008 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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