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No worries, it's been a hell of a work week that's coming to a close, I'm just being over-irritable. My fault.

Hmm... at 55 for Mutilate maybe this? Points in Fleet could be moved if you have Cat's on your boots. And I honestly feel that Deadly Brew is just filler for PvE servers (though for PvP it's vital imo). Mobs just don't live long enough to run.

But, as noted above, I'm no expert ;)

Cheers!

Hmm.... that seems low for sure. Which daggers are you using? Can you link your armory?

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Gear looks Ok-ish (although that strength enchant has gotta go). A few things need upgrading, but nothing too bad. See if you can get a few more instance runs, although that's probably going to be very difficult at your level now. Your daggers are a bit behind your character level. Weapons are the primary upgrades to keep in pace with your character level when at all possible. Look for some upgrades here.

Relentless Strikes, while nice later on, isn't vital and you're missing Murder. You don't need Ruthlessness. You do need Dual-Wield Spec. And a Mutilate build without Focused Attacks is like a day without sunshine.

Hope that helps ;)

Yes it does affect Player Characters.

Therion, if you're stunlocking mobs then expertise moves from being the best solo stat to the worst - you can't be parried or dodged while your target is stunned. Furthermore, as I said in the other thread, CS mut evi mut evi is a much faster cycle than yours, and you get hit once at the very maximum. For a pure grinding build I would drop points in imp poisons, as you use double wound, add two points in Remorseless, because it's very good for mut grinding, especially if you have poorish gear.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2008 3:33am by Kavekk

Misses are because you have no hit.

You need 5% hit to not miss with yellow attacks against equal-level targets.

It would help to read the sticky so you don't look like a moron.

It would help to pull head out of your *** so you don't look like a moron. I read a good bit of the sticky and I think I've thoroughly proven I'm anything BUT a moron. Now kindly go ***** yourself.

Edited, Nov 22nd 2008 10:43pm by LiptonSoup

If you're gonna hang around the rogue forums be ready to get used to Theo. He's an *** to everyone.

Best thing to do is ignore the insults and just read what is actually helpful, which thankfully is quite a lot.

And though I don't think you're a moron for it, it was a kinda stupid question. You lost 5% hit, so yes your Hit chance is going to go down, thinking is good.

You never had precision in the first place, right since you were Subtle you wouldn't have. Whoops.

It could be because your using faster weapons so you hit more often and notice it more often. It could also be because of bad RNG luck.

Unless you can give us a set of logs or something from Recount or WWS(which I doubt you can) we really can't say much. Anecdotal evidence is hard to judge off of since we don't get many facts, not saying your lying of course.

So if you really want to see if there is a difference I would recommend specing one way than nailing the Training dummies for a while. Record the miss/glance/parry/dodge/etc... off of recount and than reset and do the same with the other build.

If training dummies can't parry/dodge etc...than just go grind something for a while your level.

Without any numbers we can't say too much except for generalizations based on what we know about rogues so any help would be great. Also look out for stat changes.

I use have Recount. Have to get it again. I was a tad overwhelmed by it when I first got it. But yeah, I'll do that. Maybe at a later time when I'm bored, however. I wanna get to 58 so I can level with my friends DK.




Oh, I bet. Lol @ Karma.

Far as I know, the miss rate will be the same for either build more or less (neither build having Precision). How they "appear" to hit or miss is subjective and cannot be tested. And that's what Recount will do for ya.


Practice and, joking aside, approach from behind and L2Distract?

In my personal experience, I found Mutilate being generally faster for questing/grinding than Combat or Sub (my old preferred dailies build).

In the end you should level as the build you enjoy more unless you are in a serious raid guild or have an Arena team waiting for ya (in which case efficiency is vital). If you have more fun as Sub and are finding Muti too painful... seems clear to me what you should do. Good luck out there ;)

Not a bad idea. I believe Recount (mentioned above) would break down Dodge/Parry/Miss, and you could look @ your % of each on Mutilate vs. Backstab (over suitably long sessions on similar mobs).

Also remember that mob level can have a huge effect on your hit ratio, especially as you're leveling. If you're level 60, fighting a 63, expect a whiff-fest compared with a level 59-60 mob.