I hit 60 the other day and, not having The Burning Crusade expansion at the moment (I just came back to the game, didn't think I'd hit 60 so soon), I've been fooling around in Battlegrounds.
A 69 Hunter made a comment last night about my HP being only 2700, where everyone else's appeared to be floating around 5-8000. My gear is all stacked-Agility, from head to toe, that is the main stat I have always focused on. Should I be focusing on a more HP/defense build when it comes to instanced PvPs? I guess I shouldn't mind so much when I ended up dealing more damage than the 69 Hunter, even though I did have more deaths.
So ...what kind of gear? I'm always looking at the auction house for new stuff, and don't recall ever seeing any pieces that gave good HP boosts. Is it just the level difference, or do people gear up more defensively for PvP?
I'm still mostly a noob to this game and would love some advice to get better. Thanks in advance. ^^b
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Wow, that is very low HP.
The big thing that you're missing out on is Outland gear, which besides having high amounts of the "important" stats, also has tons of stamina. You should be able to find some nice greens up on the auction house (of the Bandit is excellent for hunters), and possibly get some enchants done to give you a bit of a boost as well. There are also some talents you can pick up in Beast Mastery that might help you out a bit with health, armor, etc. Without knowing your gear and spec, I can't really give any more specific advice.
If you planning on picking up TBC and leveling soon, don't worry too much about pvp besides havng fun with it. You probably will want a bit more stamina for when you head to Outland though, as Hellfire Peninsula mobs are pretty rough. :)
The big thing that you're missing out on is Outland gear, which besides having high amounts of the "important" stats, also has tons of stamina. You should be able to find some nice greens up on the auction house (of the Bandit is excellent for hunters), and possibly get some enchants done to give you a bit of a boost as well. There are also some talents you can pick up in Beast Mastery that might help you out a bit with health, armor, etc. Without knowing your gear and spec, I can't really give any more specific advice.
If you planning on picking up TBC and leveling soon, don't worry too much about pvp besides havng fun with it. You probably will want a bit more stamina for when you head to Outland though, as Hellfire Peninsula mobs are pretty rough. :)
When it comes to PvE, I haven't had a problem at all with my HP -- I guess because I've got a gorilla tank that makes sure I don't get hit.
So once I get to Outlands, gear will start to add on more stamina? Or should I start looking to replace some of my agility pieces with stamina? I just don't really want to lose the "kick" in my weapon by dropping too much agility.
As an example, would a piece with +30 agility be better or worse than a piece with, say, +20 agility and +20 stamina? My instincts would go with the +30 agility, but since I've been PvPing, I'm wondering if the stamina would help me out more.
Thanks for the quick reply.
So once I get to Outlands, gear will start to add on more stamina? Or should I start looking to replace some of my agility pieces with stamina? I just don't really want to lose the "kick" in my weapon by dropping too much agility.
As an example, would a piece with +30 agility be better or worse than a piece with, say, +20 agility and +20 stamina? My instincts would go with the +30 agility, but since I've been PvPing, I'm wondering if the stamina would help me out more.
Thanks for the quick reply.
It's not so much a question of agility vs stamina--you will find very few pieces of gear that do not have any stamina at all, you just need to find the mail gear that's not shaman-focused (though with points in Careful Aim, shammy gear can be decent).
Some quest rewards out of Hellfire, for example:
Heavy Miner's Belt
Scale Brand Breastplate
Legionnaire's Studded Helm
Handguards of Precision
As for right now, the best thing you can do is check your auction house for "of the Bandit" and "of the Monkey" for levels 57-60, as that should let you boost your stamina without losing too much, if any, agility. Switching out one piece of old world gear for another will not make much of a difference, changing a piece or two to Outland gear will have a much larger impact. Good-quality Azeroth gear can last you a fair while, a lot of that being because of set bonuses, but since you just hit 60 I am guessing you are mainly in quest rewards, which are quickly replaced.
If you absolutely have to stick with Azeroth gear, for whatever reason, try finding something "of Stamina" to replace your worst pieces. It'll probably b a bit easier than trying to find similar gear with more balanced stats.
In Outland, you will get much more stamina, because you need it. Even the starting mobs hit like trucks.
Edited, Nov 18th 2008 10:56am by isyris
Some quest rewards out of Hellfire, for example:
Heavy Miner's Belt
Scale Brand Breastplate
Legionnaire's Studded Helm
Handguards of Precision
As for right now, the best thing you can do is check your auction house for "of the Bandit" and "of the Monkey" for levels 57-60, as that should let you boost your stamina without losing too much, if any, agility. Switching out one piece of old world gear for another will not make much of a difference, changing a piece or two to Outland gear will have a much larger impact. Good-quality Azeroth gear can last you a fair while, a lot of that being because of set bonuses, but since you just hit 60 I am guessing you are mainly in quest rewards, which are quickly replaced.
If you absolutely have to stick with Azeroth gear, for whatever reason, try finding something "of Stamina" to replace your worst pieces. It'll probably b a bit easier than trying to find similar gear with more balanced stats.
In Outland, you will get much more stamina, because you need it. Even the starting mobs hit like trucks.
Edited, Nov 18th 2008 10:56am by isyris
Yea, I guess when the game comes back on I'll look on the Auction House for some of your recommendations. As for my current build, here it is.
I guess I'll just drop some gold on some trial-and-error pieces and see what best fits my play style, and hope that Outlands gear makes up for what I'm lacking when I get it. :)
I guess I'll just drop some gold on some trial-and-error pieces and see what best fits my play style, and hope that Outlands gear makes up for what I'm lacking when I get it. :)
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As an example, would a piece with +30 agility be better or worse than a piece with, say, +20 agility and +20 stamina?
For PvP I would go with the 20/20 and live quite a bit longer. Being level 60, you are going to be at the bottom of the bracket level-wise and will be an easy kill for the upper levels. With more Stam (read more health) you can stay in a fight a bit longer and be better equiped to help your team win.
A key to remember is that in PvE, you aren't supposed to get hit and your pet holds aggro from the mobs. Maximizing DPS is choice. In PvP however, you WILL get hit. You need to be able to survive that hit (or 2) and keep pumping arrows/bullets into the enemy long enough for reinforcements to arrive and hold the field. Give up some DPS for survivability. Ride with a group, shoot from the rear and know when to run/make a stand. Time spent socializing with the Spirit Healer is time spent NOT helping your team win.
Don't forget about your pet either. Assuming you are NOT going to be upgrading to BC soon, you are going to have to use every trick in the book to stay alive against enemies who will be mostly 5-9 levels higher than you with stout Outlands gear. Therefore, if your pet can snare a rogue or silence a caster, even for just a few seconds, you can really put some hurt on them.
I play on a pvp realm and up until WothLK came out, almost every 70 I came across was geared in gladiator gear (pvp gear with high stam). You have to be due to the possibility of being attacked at any moment. I am currently running with it and able to pull down mobs just fine. Sure, there is a loss of DPS, but when leveling or farming, it is not noticable; In fact, it is probably only a 1-2 shots difference.
So, in closing, STAM UP. Check for gear upgrades in the armory and look for "Of the Bandit" on the AH. If you can manage to become competitive in the BG's at level 60 and then upgrade to BC and WothLK, the lessons/tricks you will have learned surviving as a 60 in a 60-69 bracket will make you a deadly BG hunter.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting!
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Hulkababy - Lvl 70 Orc Hunter - Maelstrom
SouthPaw - Lvl 69 Shattered Hand Warhound - Hulkababy's faithful and deadly companion
Thanks for all of the advice.
I did a search for 50-60 "of the Bandit" and got a nice slew of stuff that I purchased, bumping my HP up to 4900 from 2700, while not losing too much offensively. I have a feeling this will increase my survivability a little bit.
Another PvP-related question ... it seems I have more things that I want to be able to hit one button for than there's room for. I come from FFXI that had a macro system that was pretty easy to setup one-button commands. Is there something I'm missing? I have crucial things on 1 through =, but still feel like I need a few more easy-to-access buttons.
Is there anything I can do about that? I looked up macros but it seems like they just create another button that needs to be hit, rather than giving you a swift keystroke to execute commands.
I did a search for 50-60 "of the Bandit" and got a nice slew of stuff that I purchased, bumping my HP up to 4900 from 2700, while not losing too much offensively. I have a feeling this will increase my survivability a little bit.
Another PvP-related question ... it seems I have more things that I want to be able to hit one button for than there's room for. I come from FFXI that had a macro system that was pretty easy to setup one-button commands. Is there something I'm missing? I have crucial things on 1 through =, but still feel like I need a few more easy-to-access buttons.
Is there anything I can do about that? I looked up macros but it seems like they just create another button that needs to be hit, rather than giving you a swift keystroke to execute commands.
If you are using Vanilla wow, pull up the interface menu and go to actionbars. you can turn on more bars. now go to keybindings and scroll most of the way down ... assign new keystrokes to your actionbar. just make sure you are not double assigning because the new one will overwrite the old one
or go to the Macro forum on Officialsite ... 1 button shoots arcane, then auto, then aimed ... etc
or go to the Macro forum on Officialsite ... 1 button shoots arcane, then auto, then aimed ... etc
Using an actionbar UI mod like Bartender4 can help with that (I suggest Movable Bags along with it), too. It doesn't give you more buttons than what you can get with the standard Blizzard UI (after showing all the actionsbars, like Foxx suggested), but what it can do is allow you to place all the buttons exactly where you want them to be in order to have easier access to them. For example, This is what my Raiding UI looks like. My current leveling UI is a tiny bit different to accommodate more open slots for quest items and my exp bar.
Edit: Bartender also makes setting up keybindings a whole lot easier than the way Blizzard makes you do it, so you can easily set up macros and then set it to whatever key you want.
Edited, Nov 21st 2008 4:19pm by ProjectMidnight
Edit: Bartender also makes setting up keybindings a whole lot easier than the way Blizzard makes you do it, so you can easily set up macros and then set it to whatever key you want.
Edited, Nov 21st 2008 4:19pm by ProjectMidnight
This was my UI during S3, its the only SS I have with everything on screen. Right now its the same (with different keybinds), and Omen replaces Proximo when I'm not in PvP.
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