Is there a new fire talent tree yet?Follow

Do you mean talent specs?

And for what purpose, raiding I assume? And for level 80?

Edited, Nov 18th 2008 8:19am by Anobix

There really isn't any optimal leveling fire spec. You can do whatever you want with it and it won't be as flexible for questing as frost is. Pick up Master of Elements, Ignite, and Burnout then fill in w/e else you feel like killing stuff with. The only thing there is really a preferred or "best" spec for is single target raid dps. In that regard it remains to be seen how well an FFB builds stack up against a pure fire build. For everything else there are variables around you which affect which spec is optimal.

If you're looking for a preferred leveling talent set up you can't go wrong with frost. Questing and dungeon crawling aren't difficult so it's all about how much you have to rest while doing them. Deep Frost makes for zero down time questing and the survivability is virtually unparalleled by other classes, let alone other mage trees. Not to mention improved Blizzard is awesome when stacked w/all the other movement impairing talents.

Thanks Princess, I was an frost mage for 70 levels before raid group requirements meant I had to change to fire.
I feel frost is a very good solo spec to have and was interested to see what you had done with your points, do you use frost mainly and fire for larger targets that require more dps?
I've gone more fire/arcane, arcane to bolster up my fire dps, and would like to stay that way if possible but if theres a better spec to help level then I'am more than happy to give it a go.

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Yeah, I main Frostfire Bolt and the only other frost spells on my toolbar are Ice Lance, Frost Nova, and Ice Block. I can remove the Cold Snap as it is mostly filler and the Arctic Reach is probably useless with Flame Throwing. That frees up 3 points. Should I remove Piercing Ice as well? I'm not too concerned about the snare ability, but with what I have to do sometimes, that effect might be useful. However, I have no qualms with using a raiding build for everything, inc grinding xp or doing pvp, which is not something I am actively doing this expansion. I am always open to improving my build.

I'll throw together something today. I would pretty much go with a fire build (using fireball if that is your style) up til about 75 then at 75 switch over to an elementalist build (you can go fire heavy if you want to) to take advantage of ignite + slowing effects + shatter + frostbite with frostfire bolt.

Thanks mate, for now I'am mainly fire build with some arcane, 14/51/0, but before that had some Frost specs in to get Icey Veins but changed it after your last suggestions.

I still use Cone of Cone and Ice Lance now when I need something instant or close to it when my fire spells are on cd but thats as far frost as I go...apart from Frost Nova.
But all my specs are fire related, I get the frostfire (I think its called that) spell next level so not sure how that will fit in.

Thats what I'am looking for, the right talents to maximise my potential :)

At 78, I'm using 0/51/18 as my FFB spec. Not sure where the last 2 points are going to go.

I'd suggest taking two points out of frost channeling to cap out frostbite and shatter.



As far as a frostfire build in general, it isn't very useful before 80. I immediately switched to a FFB build at 75 but found several problems with it. Namely, it focuses on giant critical hits and burns from ingnite. The ignite procs and huge crits can lead to overkill or wasted ignite burns on mobs that only have 9-11k hp. More suited to raid bosses with millions of hit points.

Another problem with FFB before 80 is that the scaling effect on gear absolute KILLS your critical hit rate. Most fire mages were rocking at least a 30% critical strike rate at 70 before buffs and debuffs on the mobs were applied. Generally that's dropped about 10% which dulls the luster of a FFB build a lot. Additionally, not having shatter really hurts you when leveling. If you're going to use it for grinding I'd suggest filling out to shatter before you cap burnout.

As of now, it isn't very useful for leveling or dungeon grinding. I thought it would be fun to try out but it turned out to be more of a drag. Spamming FFB isn't that fun. I find the new frost talents and the water elemental glyph to be more useful for all aspects of the game outside of raids, which I haven't done any of since the expansion.

I still think people should give it a go and see how they like it, but you're not maxing your dps, survivability, or any other kind of potential by using a FFB build for leveling.

So theres now an "Elementalist" build that combine both fire and frost???
I always thought you were one or the other and threw in some arcane talents to help bolster up what you already had.

Maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way?

At level 75 my fire/arcane build has worked fine and I havent really struggled with it.
Pre level 70 I was frost build and found it more fun to play but had to change for guild raid requirements.

Is it worth going back to a dual fire/frost build until level 80?

I read Petrazure's comments but with the dual build it doesnt sound like I'am getting the full potential of what I have and can do.

Yeah, once I hit 80, FFB became my main nuke. I used to start out with FFB then Fireball.

I got Frostfire Bolt this morning and yes its my first nuke on my rotation.
So now that we have gone back into the frost tree what sort of fire/frost tree are we looking at?

We dont use any of the Arcane talents anymore like Arcane Subtlety and Focus Magic, I thought we had to have these.

Originally going back a bit we had a few points in Arcane to get Arcane Subtlety to help with less AoE aggro and a Fire tree mainly completed.
No points in Frost.

This then changed to having enough points put into Frost to get Icey Veins but that was it.

Then that changed back to mainly Fire and enough points in Arcane to get Focus Magic with all the Frost points gone.

So now we seem to be back to a mix of Fire and Frost.

I guess going back to my original question then, soloing and levelling to 80 whats the best way to spend my talents points to get a good balance of dps and survivibilty?
From what I've read here going with a mix of both Fire and Frost I will lose some dps but gain in other areas.
I'am not sure where my points go in Arcane if at all and where to spend them in Frost.
I want to stay mainly Fire spec but I'am more than happy to change things around for a balance but I dont want to go back to fully Frost again like I did pre level 70.

And while I think of it, what glyph's are we now using?

Edited, Nov 23rd 2008 5:02am by RodStorm

Ta mate, so what would be a good and workable Elemental tree for a Fire Mage pre level 80 soloing/questing? (leaning towards Fire)
At level 76 now but right through to 80 would be helpful.
Thanks guys.