The more I read about hunter talent trees the more confused I become. Flame me, spam me but please help me. 1st time WoW player after coming over from playing EQ for 7 years. My hunter is level 16 as of last night. I love my scorpid pet.
This toon is meant for soloing PvE so I can learn WoW and a toon to run when friends are not on.
After looking over this site and a few others mentioned, I still cannot figure out what a good build is for soloing PvE. My idea is for pet to tank and me stand back and shoot bow. I do not plan on grouping or raiding with this toon and also not PvP with this toon.
If I understand correctly, BM spec is good for pet tanking, Marksman better for DPS in group and Survive is for being a puller. As a soloist, don't I want all 3? It is so confusing. Please help me get on the right path </pleading>.
PvE soloist with no plans to raid, PvP and very little interest in grouping (at least with this toon).
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This is roughly the build I'm using for the 70->80 grind. Throw on Aspect of the Beast and just let loose on whatever is in your way. This is really a pure solo build as it's missing some of the most important DPS talents, but it can be used in 5 mans if you so choose, just know that you're going to be gimped quite a bit from where you should be.
Go up BM first picking up the 5 point talents first while moving as far up the tree as possible then fill any any of the "Floater" points that you need to get higher in the tree. Bestial Discipline, Serpent's Swiftness, and Bestial Wrath/The Beast Within are pretty hands down the most important things in that tree (from a soloing perspective, and of course, in my opinion).
As you get a better grasp on things you'll probably start moving points around as you get a feel for what you need more or less of. There's a lot of crutch talents in that build (See: Catlike Reflexes) that you don't really need, but make easier things for soloing that you'll ultimately give up if/when you start grouping more.
Personally, I'd tame a bear and then either keep it or move to a Gorilla as soon as possible specc'd roughly like this.
As for that all three specs of hunter (really all specs of all classes especially post 3.0) can all solo easily, and BM is the highest DPS. :D
Edited, Nov 17th 2008 5:12pm by Ieatrocks
Go up BM first picking up the 5 point talents first while moving as far up the tree as possible then fill any any of the "Floater" points that you need to get higher in the tree. Bestial Discipline, Serpent's Swiftness, and Bestial Wrath/The Beast Within are pretty hands down the most important things in that tree (from a soloing perspective, and of course, in my opinion).
As you get a better grasp on things you'll probably start moving points around as you get a feel for what you need more or less of. There's a lot of crutch talents in that build (See: Catlike Reflexes) that you don't really need, but make easier things for soloing that you'll ultimately give up if/when you start grouping more.
Personally, I'd tame a bear and then either keep it or move to a Gorilla as soon as possible specc'd roughly like this.
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If I understand correctly, BM spec is good for pet tanking, Marksman better for DPS in group and Survive is for being a puller. As a soloist, don't I want all 3? It is so confusing. Please help me get on the right path </pleading>.
As for that all three specs of hunter (really all specs of all classes especially post 3.0) can all solo easily, and BM is the highest DPS. :D
Edited, Nov 17th 2008 5:12pm by Ieatrocks
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Thank you for the response Leatrocks. If I ever see a bear I will tame it. My hunter is a troll and the only Tenacity beast I have seen so far is a scorpid.
Sorry for the double post, I dont know why that happened.
Sorry for the double post, I dont know why that happened.
Yeah, a bear is a good soloing pet in PvE until you get to level 32 and can tame a gorilla.
Here's BRK's suggested talent build. Where to put your talent points as you level up.
http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/11/11/building-a-51100-bm-hunter/
Here's BRK's suggested talent build. Where to put your talent points as you level up.
http://www.bigredkitty.net/2008/11/11/building-a-51100-bm-hunter/
That's is the best BM talents explanation site ever... A must read for everyone.
I'm really not fond of BRK's explanation. He goes straight for BW/TBC and ignores some of the best solo-hunting skills.
I would really suggest going for points into Lethal Shots, Focused Aim and Careful Aim before even touching the Beast Mastery Tree. When you're low level, your top priority is usually getting mobs down as fast as possible. If you absolutely want bestial wrath at level 41, then you can respec to it, but those MM talents are going to give a more consistent amount of DPS than having a 2-minute cooldown.
I would really suggest going for points into Lethal Shots, Focused Aim and Careful Aim before even touching the Beast Mastery Tree. When you're low level, your top priority is usually getting mobs down as fast as possible. If you absolutely want bestial wrath at level 41, then you can respec to it, but those MM talents are going to give a more consistent amount of DPS than having a 2-minute cooldown.
I agree the talents can be very confusing and now with all the changes even more so.
i have always preferred the "big red kitty" that is the BM Hunters way but each tree has very good points to it , as you sound like me if you pick BM it will do no harm to stay just in it , i would say at first get your pet able to tank so .
Endurance training is well worth having .
Then focused fire and thick hide.
Unleashed fury.
Then ferocity + at least 1 point in improved mend pet.
intimidation a must have to keep mobs on pet.
The main talent needed is Bestial Wrath and the beast within .
The thing you are trying to do is get pet able to do as much damage as possible (more damage means pet hold the attention of mobs) and there are so many ways to do that that everyone has different ideas , and keeping the pet alive is a big help , if you pick a pet or two you can play with them to see which you prefer , a good tank and very fast at lower levels is the humble boar which i always have at first as it still is the lowest pet with any speed and a great tank and eats almost anything edible you will find.
I would suggest if you pick BM the talents i have outlined will do you no harm as you level , and at higher levels as you have gained a better understanding you can always pay to change or add to them , some go for the maximum damage possible and some like me just want to survive and the key is your pets survival.
i have always preferred the "big red kitty" that is the BM Hunters way but each tree has very good points to it , as you sound like me
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My idea is for pet to tank and me stand back and shoot bow
Endurance training is well worth having .
Then focused fire and thick hide.
Unleashed fury.
Then ferocity + at least 1 point in improved mend pet.
intimidation a must have to keep mobs on pet.
The main talent needed is Bestial Wrath and the beast within .
The thing you are trying to do is get pet able to do as much damage as possible (more damage means pet hold the attention of mobs) and there are so many ways to do that that everyone has different ideas , and keeping the pet alive is a big help , if you pick a pet or two you can play with them to see which you prefer , a good tank and very fast at lower levels is the humble boar which i always have at first as it still is the lowest pet with any speed and a great tank and eats almost anything edible you will find.
I would suggest if you pick BM the talents i have outlined will do you no harm as you level , and at higher levels as you have gained a better understanding you can always pay to change or add to them , some go for the maximum damage possible and some like me just want to survive and the key is your pets survival.
I'm 100% with Sandralover here.....well not with him/her personally....damn it you know what I mean.
and Project, I normally agree with everything you say, but not here. the dude is only level 16, Focused aim won't do anything for him until he gets steady shot. The 3% hit is nice, but nowadays since the leveling has been nerfed you will most likely be doing all green quests until the outlands.
Careful aim, and lethal shots just don't start to shine until you get some int and crit chance which is much later down the road.
and Project, I normally agree with everything you say, but not here. the dude is only level 16, Focused aim won't do anything for him until he gets steady shot. The 3% hit is nice, but nowadays since the leveling has been nerfed you will most likely be doing all green quests until the outlands.
Careful aim, and lethal shots just don't start to shine until you get some int and crit chance which is much later down the road.
There is indeed a very strong argument for Careful aim, Focused Aim, and Lethal Shots, but would I let them delay me getting Serpent's Swiftness? Not for a second.
I could easily see going down to Serpent's Swiftness and then investing 11 in marks before going back for kindred though.
Edit: WTF, was I drunk? For some reason I responded fully and rationally about Mortal Shots, which nobody had even mentioned. >_>
Edited, Nov 18th 2008 8:52pm by Ieatrocks
I could easily see going down to Serpent's Swiftness and then investing 11 in marks before going back for kindred though.
Edit: WTF, was I drunk? For some reason I responded fully and rationally about Mortal Shots, which nobody had even mentioned. >_>
Edited, Nov 18th 2008 8:52pm by Ieatrocks
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Well I have already messed up my talent tree. A hunter in game told me to put the first 5 points into Improved Hawk Aspect. I would rather have the spec that Sandralover listed.
You can change your spec as often as you want, well as long as you can afford it. Honestly, any spec will do while leveling. I suggest reading the second thread in this forum. While it isn't accurate for Wrath, it's still a very good guide for leveling stuff. Good luck.
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As an afterthought perhaps you will find my first hunters talents rather amusing ( i guess we all start off rather dumb ) it was a long time ago so i do not remember exactly what i did but i know it was about level 20+ before i placed any points in my talents.
I did the classic fools talents and put points in all 3 trees , the results were poor , my pet ( cat with cower on and no bite or claw ) was not much help and i thought hey why am i a melee Hunter , it took looking up/finding here and Petopia after a level 60 saw me and suggested ways to deal with my lack of understanding , i will always remember that character taking his time to help guide a fool ( Me ) and ever since i have been helping any that seem to have problems with being a hunter. plus i taught him how to fish more easily so we both gained out of the chat.
The first respec is not to bad , i think a few gold ranaraza and will help a lot , the hawk aspect is ok and worth getting but perhaps creating a pet with the right talents that can tank will help your play style better .
I did the classic fools talents and put points in all 3 trees , the results were poor , my pet ( cat with cower on and no bite or claw ) was not much help and i thought hey why am i a melee Hunter , it took looking up/finding here and Petopia after a level 60 saw me and suggested ways to deal with my lack of understanding , i will always remember that character taking his time to help guide a fool ( Me ) and ever since i have been helping any that seem to have problems with being a hunter. plus i taught him how to fish more easily so we both gained out of the chat.
The first respec is not to bad , i think a few gold ranaraza and will help a lot , the hawk aspect is ok and worth getting but perhaps creating a pet with the right talents that can tank will help your play style better .
I've pointed so many hunters to this forum I can't even count them on one and 2/5th's of a hand (put another way, the number is 8). There is a fine line between suggesting help in game and the huntard blowing up at you by a simple comment. Couple days ago in the nexus, we had a 71 hunter (I was still little ol 70) but I noticed his mana NEVER dropped.
I asked him to get out of Viper and I got triple dot back as a response...then I replied, "I forget to get out of it all the time too" giving him an out which he took. I don't think he realized that viper now reduces damage by 50% until I mentioned that.
I asked him to get out of Viper and I got triple dot back as a response...then I replied, "I forget to get out of it all the time too" giving him an out which he took. I don't think he realized that viper now reduces damage by 50% until I mentioned that.
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