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Death Grip, OP or not?Follow

#27 Nov 27 2008 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
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Recalling the times I've been feared continuously by warlocks, I'd say DG is definitely not OP.
#28 Nov 30 2008 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Its a little off topic, and for that I apologize, but it does concern DG. If any of you have ever played the Mortal Kombat games, you'll know what I'm talking about. Scorpion's special move where he yells "GET OVER HERE!", and the hook + rope latches onto you and drags you over to him. Its the basis for Death Grip, WoW Dev's are truly nerds at heart.
#29 Dec 01 2008 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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I've decided that it is very OP against stupid gankers who won't leave you alone. Last night while questing in Terrokar forest I had 2 gankers on me constantly. Both 7 levels higher than me. One Lock, One hunter.

Well I got a 70 warrior, and everytime they came by on their mounts, I pulled them off to me and he killed them. Needless to say I got no more quests done, but we did generate some world PvP in that area by Cenarion Circle. Really got the higher levels pissed off.

Only time I couldn't get them was if they "resisted" or they dodged. Damn rogues...lol Will have to try this some more on other toon types. Didn't get anybody on a flying mount tho. Everybody was on a ground mount or walking.
#30 Dec 01 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Death Grip is definitely not OP in any way. Compared to abilites like Intercept, well, there really Indy a comparison.

If anythng it needs to be buffed.
#31 Dec 03 2008 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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I'm going to disagree with you Theo and say that it is OP in that DKs are the only class (as far as I know) that have an ability to bring the enemy to them as opposed to "going to" the enemy. I know some mobs in Northrend can do this too. I find that for now, it is a bit disorienting to be doing one thing, then being jerked into combat.

#32 Dec 03 2008 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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if i was gonna get ganked, id rather it start by me being dragged away from my mob... since that = less dps on me

intercept, for example is like "o ho hum, im killin my mob... STUN SPAMSTRING MS PAIN TRAIN" while the mob beats you up too

and besides, compared to warriors chargin their lazers on you.... id rather vs a DK then a warrior on most classes if im bein ganked

DKs sacrifice runes to cc ya after a DG.... warriors sacrifice basically a GCD to spamstring you and ruin your ****

lol
#33 Dec 03 2008 at 11:54 AM Rating: Default
is it any worse than 12 seconds of invincibility or more if your a priest? Think about that, one instant cast spell that can't be interrupted and your unkillable for 12 seconds, how is THAT not overpowered but deathgrip is? I admit, after the first hit you should be immune to the spell for 30 seconds so you can't chain it, but its not overpowered, and we are SUPPOSE to be caster killers remember? we have silences, and DG so we can kill casters, take that away and we are worriers with some cool skills, thats all.
#34 Dec 03 2008 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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An ability to bring the enemy to them as opposed to "going to" the enemy.


Funny you mention that. I was in a 1 on 1 fight with a war that used Spell Reflection right as I fired off a DG. He shat a brick when he saw my character flying toward him. Just thought I would share.
#35 Dec 03 2008 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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is it any worse than 12 seconds of invincibility or more if your a priest? Think about that, one instant cast spell that can't be interrupted and your unkillable for 12 seconds, how is THAT not overpowered but deathgrip is? I admit, after the first hit you should be immune to the spell for 30 seconds so you can't chain it, but its not overpowered, and we are SUPPOSE to be caster killers remember? we have silences, and DG so we can kill casters, take that away and we are worriers with some cool skills, thats all.


but you forgot about my trap card......

...i mean, IBF, unstunnable and 50% damage resistance usable every minute. sure its getting nerfed for pvp, but its still an awesome ability.
#36 Dec 03 2008 at 11:31 PM Rating: Default
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Xenexia wrote:
I'm going to disagree with you Theo and say that it is OP in that DKs are the only class (as far as I know) that have an ability to bring the enemy to them as opposed to "going to" the enemy. I know some mobs in Northrend can do this too. I find that for now, it is a bit disorienting to be doing one thing, then being jerked into combat.

The only applied use this has for arena is pulling someone out of LOS of their healer.
#37 Dec 04 2008 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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The only applied use this has for arena is pulling someone out of LOS of their healer.


Er, no there are many uses for this ability. Arena being only one of them.
#38 Dec 04 2008 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Xenexia wrote:
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The only applied use this has for arena is pulling someone out of LOS of their healer.


Er, no there are many uses for this ability. Arena being only one of them.

I'm going to make this easy on you; you can stop posting at any time because of the underlined part of my post.

It doesn't matter if DG is OP outside of arena. Blizzard has stated numerous times that they balance PvP based on arena.
#39 Dec 04 2008 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Xenexia wrote:
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The only applied use this has for arena is pulling someone out of LOS of their healer.


Er, no there are many uses for this ability. Arena being only one of them.


Smiley: dubious
#40 Dec 04 2008 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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The only applied use this has for arena is pulling someone out of LOS of their healer.


What about interrupting a heal (or other spell for all that matters)?
#41 Dec 04 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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Nxtwave wrote:
I was in a 1 on 1 fight with a war that used Spell Reflection right as I fired off a DG. He shat a brick when he saw my character flying toward him. Just thought I would share.


I LOL'd. Seriously. :)

I can just imagine what went through that guy's head... "HA! No Death Grip for y... OHGHODFLYINGPOINTYDOOM!!"

Pure win. :D
#42 Dec 04 2008 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Mozared wrote:
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The only applied use this has for arena is pulling someone out of LOS of their healer.


What about interrupting a heal (or other spell for all that matters)?

Less a specific arena use, more a general PvP use, but you're correct, though why you wouldn't use Strangulate or Mind Freeze is beyond me. DG should usually be used as a reconnect, not an interrupt.
#43 Dec 04 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Aye, true, fair enough. PvP's probably too vague to go into more detail, it depends a lot on the situation.
#44 Dec 04 2008 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Mozared wrote:
Aye, true, fair enough. PvP's probably too vague to go into more detail, it depends a lot on the situation.

Yeah, I agree. Most of the time we'll be using CoI/DG to reconnect, since other than those the class is fairly easily kited (I imagine having to use 1 frost rune on every rotation for CoI if you don't have someone else with you that has a snare) and thus DG isn't really an option for an interrupt. It'll work, but it's kind of a crude method as opposed to Strangulate/Mind Freeze.
#45 Dec 05 2008 at 3:13 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
Mozared wrote:
Aye, true, fair enough. PvP's probably too vague to go into more detail, it depends a lot on the situation.

Yeah, I agree. Most of the time we'll be using CoI/DG to reconnect, since other than those the class is fairly easily kited (I imagine having to use 1 frost rune on every rotation for CoI if you don't have someone else with you that has a snare) and thus DG isn't really an option for an interrupt. It'll work, but it's kind of a crude method as opposed to Strangulate/Mind Freeze.


Good grief, what's the world coming to, Theo agreeing with Moz ... hmmm, I think Theo's Alla account has been hacked.
#46 Dec 05 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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robertlofthouse wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Mozared wrote:
Aye, true, fair enough. PvP's probably too vague to go into more detail, it depends a lot on the situation.

Yeah, I agree. Most of the time we'll be using CoI/DG to reconnect, since other than those the class is fairly easily kited (I imagine having to use 1 frost rune on every rotation for CoI if you don't have someone else with you that has a snare) and thus DG isn't really an option for an interrupt. It'll work, but it's kind of a crude method as opposed to Strangulate/Mind Freeze.


Good grief, what's the world coming to, Theo agreeing with Moz ... hmmm, I think Theo's Alla account has been hacked.


Moz has grown a bit since he got here.
#47 Dec 07 2008 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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Its no more OP then warriors duel wielding with 2h weapon, Hunters who can't be snared, frozen, or stunned by casters, warlocks who within a couple of seconds can have you dotted to death, rogues who can stun lock you, and finally paladins who can do anything while being 100% invulnerable to attack.
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#48 Dec 08 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nxtwave wrote:
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An ability to bring the enemy to them as opposed to "going to" the enemy.


Funny you mention that. I was in a 1 on 1 fight with a war that used Spell Reflection right as I fired off a DG. He shat a brick when he saw my character flying toward him. Just thought I would share.


Made my day, now I want to duel my Warrior friend just for him to see this, haha.
#49 Dec 08 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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I am not going to stop posting, and since I don't Arena it'd be stupid to have a spell/ability and not use it. Thus my second post. I like Theo's advice, but I'm still gonna disagree. (-:

I think it will get it's most benefit from PvP arena, but I use mine all the time out in the general world. It's great for when your tired, your legs hurt, the armor is scratchy, it's heavy as hell (plate you know). Why run to that next pack of mobs, when I can jerk em over here.

I especially like it for getting the damn casters in range for a mind freeze/strangulate. Ah well, to each his own.
#50 Dec 13 2008 at 12:56 AM Rating: Decent
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My main is a 73 mage. (DK is my favorite alt, though). Took the mage into that new BG tonight. Got blindsided by a 77 DK. He yanked me to him. I hit frost nova, blink, slow, pom pyro, fireblast, arcane barrage, ice lance, and he was dead. Maybe I got lucky. Maybe he wasn't a very good DK. Still, I'm not seeing DG as overpowered. Just takes some getting used to, and folks will learn to counter it.
#51 Dec 15 2008 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I got pulled off the elevator in the Alliance town in Zangarmarsh. I think it's cheap, and I wish other DKs were immune to it, but I don't know if I'll say it's OP.

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