Can anyone tell us for certain what the melee effect is of this talent? The language of the talent is ambiguous. It states "While in Cat Form increases your damage from melee critical strikes by 3% and reduces the damage taken from area of effect attacks by 10%."
Normally, it seems to me that Blizz specifies either that you "take" increased damage, or that you "cause" increased damage. For example, Feral Agression states "Increases the attack power reduction of your Demoralizing Roar by 8% and the damage caused by your Ferocious Bite by 3%." Similar wording is in Savage Fury. Both are in the same tree as PI. Then, when talking about the damage we take, Blizz usually says so, such as the second part of Predatory Instincts, and also in Primal Tenacity which states "Reduces the duration of Fear effects by 10%, and reduces all damage taken while Stunned by 10%."
I put in a ticket, but no response yet - guess they are busy fixing the new mail problem that messed us all up on Veteran's Day. I can guess what Blizz must have meant, because there seems no way that the benefit from AoE hits would make up for increasing damage we take from melee crits by 3% - at least not enough to make this talent worthwhile compared to other talents. But, does anyone actually know the answer?
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It reduces mob's damage to the player.
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Well, that doesn't seem possible. The part I was trying to focus on was
"While in Cat Form increases your damage from melee critical strikes by 3%"
That seems like it has to be either that we hit others harder when we melee crit, or they hit us harder when they melee crit. But it can't be that we take less damage from mobs when they hit us, unless the description is just bass-ackwards and they meant "decrease" when they wrote "increase."
"While in Cat Form increases your damage from melee critical strikes by 3%"
That seems like it has to be either that we hit others harder when we melee crit, or they hit us harder when they melee crit. But it can't be that we take less damage from mobs when they hit us, unless the description is just bass-ackwards and they meant "decrease" when they wrote "increase."
Would it make sense for them to give you worse stats in a talent??
I think they mean that it ups your damage output, not damage taken.
Just read this and see if it makes sense."While in Cat Form increases your damage taken from melee critical strikes by 3% and reduces the damage taken from area of effect attacks by 10%."
That just seems off to me, I personally dont think that they would have you take more direct damage in turn of taking less in area effects. If they would do that then I would assume they would emphasize on what your'e giving up.
Edited, Nov 13th 2008 1:33pm by drewbeeone
I think they mean that it ups your damage output, not damage taken.
Just read this and see if it makes sense."While in Cat Form increases your damage taken from melee critical strikes by 3% and reduces the damage taken from area of effect attacks by 10%."
That just seems off to me, I personally dont think that they would have you take more direct damage in turn of taking less in area effects. If they would do that then I would assume they would emphasize on what your'e giving up.
Edited, Nov 13th 2008 1:33pm by drewbeeone
PI increases the crit strike damage from melee in cat form by up to 10%. normally, the crit strike bonus is 100%, so if you would have hit something for 100 damage, you'll crit it fro 100% more than that, or 200 damage. this ability increases the net damage by 10%. so if you crit for 200, with this talent youll instead crit for 10% more than 200, or 220.
its a great talent for cat dps. id go so far as to call it necessary.
its a great talent for cat dps. id go so far as to call it necessary.
OP if you are spending the majority of time in cat form take the talent. If you are tanking a lot don't take the talent.
It increases your melee criticals by 3% in cat form thus increasing your DPS and reduces the damage you take from AoE effects in cat form, ie most raid damage and all AoE effects, by 30% thus redcuing the burden you place on healers.
drewbeeone is right in how they would have phrased it if it hurt you more. Blizz may have issue with clarity on occasion but in this case they are pretty clear.
edit: note to self, type faster
Edited, Nov 13th 2008 1:59pm by Horsemouth
It increases your melee criticals by 3% in cat form thus increasing your DPS and reduces the damage you take from AoE effects in cat form, ie most raid damage and all AoE effects, by 30% thus redcuing the burden you place on healers.
drewbeeone is right in how they would have phrased it if it hurt you more. Blizz may have issue with clarity on occasion but in this case they are pretty clear.
edit: note to self, type faster
Edited, Nov 13th 2008 1:59pm by Horsemouth
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Quor wrote:
PI increases the crit strike damage from melee in cat form by up to 10%. normally, the crit strike bonus is 100%, so if you would have hit something for 100 damage, you'll crit it fro 100% more than that, or 200 damage. this ability increases the net damage by 10%. so if you crit for 200, with this talent youll instead crit for 10% more than 200, or 220.
This is correct. Elitist Jerks did some math and testing on the matter. I think there is another post her in the druid forums about it.
drewbeeone wrote:
Would it make sense for them to give you worse stats in a talent??
Yes.
Edit: PI is pure cat buff, though. Increases the damage you cause when you crit by 10% (meaning you cause 220% instead of 200% of your normal damage.)
Edited, Nov 14th 2008 7:51pm by AstarintheDruid
Edit: Nevermind, just read Quor's post, makes sense.
Edited, Nov 14th 2008 11:41pm by Norellicus
funny you mention that nor, because there is a subtle difference with PI compared to other crit damage increasing talents that makes it oodles better by comparison.
you see, in most cases, anything that increases crit strike damage usually increases the bonus damage. take for instance impale in the warrior tree, or ruin in destro. ruin is very misleading, because it says increases crit strike damage bonus by 100%, which to most people would mean a crit is now triple damage (300% of normal) instead of just double. but the caveat lies in the details here. first off, as we all know, spells crit at half the bonus damage that physical attacks do (with a few exceptions). secondly, ruin (and impale, and many other talents like them) refer to crit strike bonus damage, meaning the extra damage gained from the crit, not the entire attack.
the druid version here in PI refers to the entire attack, meaning if it was worded in the form of the other talents, the damage bonus would effectively be doubled (20% fully talented vs 10). another big bonus of PI is that it affects ALL attacks, not just specials, which gives it a leg up on the warrior and rogue counterparts.
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you see, in most cases, anything that increases crit strike damage usually increases the bonus damage. take for instance impale in the warrior tree, or ruin in destro. ruin is very misleading, because it says increases crit strike damage bonus by 100%, which to most people would mean a crit is now triple damage (300% of normal) instead of just double. but the caveat lies in the details here. first off, as we all know, spells crit at half the bonus damage that physical attacks do (with a few exceptions). secondly, ruin (and impale, and many other talents like them) refer to crit strike bonus damage, meaning the extra damage gained from the crit, not the entire attack.
the druid version here in PI refers to the entire attack, meaning if it was worded in the form of the other talents, the damage bonus would effectively be doubled (20% fully talented vs 10). another big bonus of PI is that it affects ALL attacks, not just specials, which gives it a leg up on the warrior and rogue counterparts.
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