Trouble with multiple opponentsFollow

Um, maybe you just aren't good? Your attitude won't elicit too many responses there slugger. Questing as a rogue might be one of the easier classes. When you say no defensive skills? What about blind and vanish? Maybe you should read the stickies and realize that combat spec is the easiest way to level, and as you progress you should be able to melt 3 mobs at once pretty fu*king easily.

I actually can't believe I wasted 45 seconds of my time writing back to you.

It's questing. It's easy. Enough said.

You did pay to learn "Sap" right? >_>

You can also use "Sprint" when you need to run away (another level 10 ability).
Rogues can also wield "Swords" if you don't like "sissy Daggers."

Rogue may actually be the worst class for fighting more than 1 target, there is no trainable area attack until level 75 (and Fan of Knives is kinda bad even then).
Your best bet will be to spec Combat and get Blade Flurry ASAP, but I still wouldn't expect the area attack potential to match the other classes you've played.

And yes, these are stupid answers because you asked stupid questions.

EDIT: Forgot to mention you get Dismantle at 20, which will help, but multitudes of people got to 70 without having it.

Edited, Nov 12th 2008 2:58pm by angryempath

Dude I don't know what to tell you. Spend a little gold and get fiery on your daggers. Most of my rogue friends lvled with fiery on lvl 10 WHITE daggers without a problem. If you have 2 mobs, sap one, take down the other, and wait to restealth, and engage the next. Kick casters. You'll get distract at 22, that helps with getting past people if needed (read: caves). Try different things, like opening with ambush instead of garrote, it should be better for soloing anyway. Ambush, gouge, bs, eviserate, move on. All I remember from that lvl was blowing people up.

I don't really see the use of this post. The OP is complaining that a single-target DPS class lacks AOE capabilities in a specific level range. Tell me if I'm being really stupid, but... if it's so bad it's unplayable, level up?

I don't really recall ever having major issues at that or any level. Stealth in and sap one kill the other. If by chance I get a pat add and I think I am going to die, evasion + sprint was usually a guaranteed survival tool.

Leveling through those levels is a PIA.
I don't remember having that many problems though. Of course my rogue was my first character so I had no preconceptions about the game and learned to play through it with a rogue playstyle.

That playstyle is to pick your fights, and start your fights on your terms and end them on your terms.

Playing a rogue is extremely different than playing as a class built to take hit, a class with a built in tank, or a class that can do AoE damage right from the start.

At level 19, and really any other level, a rogue can rip up all three of those classes played according to the class.

As mentioned above you have control abilities coming with new levels as well as poisons.

Every class has it's slow and painful leveling spots, for rogues it is the lower levels and sadly all you can do is just power through them and use every single ability you have atm.

Hey nnicccoo I was constructive in the last post. Your opening post was a little scatterbrained, as was noted by several other regular posters here. Once you get vanish you'll feel invincible. Blowing through mobs with cheapshot/kidney shot will make your rogue life a lot easier. Good luck, and don't hesitate to post other questions. I'm usually not an assh*le, just ended up being one this morning.

And imanohealu - this is his 4th character according to the opening post. Feiry is cheap and very accessable (sp?) for a 4th toon.

Rogues are all about picking your battles. As a rogue you need to control the entire fight. With other classes like warrior, mage, etc you basically just charge in head first and go all balls out on the mobs. You can't do that with rogues. It does take some getting used to switching to a different mindset when playing a rogue.

You need to learn to pick off mobs one by one. You need to learn to cc with saps, blinds, gouges, etc. You also need to learn that not every mob has to die for a quest. Sometimes you can sneak around mobs and get to your main target or destination, finish it off and sneak back out.

It's not that you're a bad player you're just still thinking like a warrior or mage. Learn what a rogue can and can't handle. Later on when you do get more abilities you'll remember the techniques you learned along the way. Then it'll be even more amazing what your rogue can take down.

If I think like a warrior on my rogue I die. If I think like a rogue on my warrior I die.

The classes really are different. You need to start seeing that.

I apologize if I was being short with you, but I leveled Rogue to 44 without doing any quests past Redridge. It was my first toon, I didn't know where to find quests and I was used to having to kill things to level up from playing FF11 (I probably wasn't nearly as bothered by dying in WoW because it doesn't COST YOU exp to die like in FF11, there were points in that game where you could de-level, but that's a whole other thing).

Seriously consider just using Sinister Strike with a slow Sword mainhand (fast sword offhand, once you have talents/poisons to make it matter), re-positioning yourself for Backstab may be part of your aggro problem. Once you have Cheapshot, always use it as your opener with a Sword setup. It has no positional requirement, so it will be a lot easier to start fights precisely where you want to.
Pay attention to your surroundings, back away while you're fighting if you see something else coming towards you (everything you do is Instant, you have no reason to hold still). You can also preemptively back away towards a road or something if you're paranoid.

Once you hit 20 you can do your poison quest (do people even still have to do a quest now that the poisons come from vendors pre-made?), Crippling Poison has a 50% proc rate now, you can throw it on both your weapons to improve your chance of running away if you're still having trouble.

And like I said, Rogue will never be as good at fighting multiple targets as Warrior/Mage/Hunter. Even with Blade Flurry/Killing Spree/Fan of Knives, Rogue is one of the worst classes for killing multiple targets.
If you can live with being only a master of single-target DPS, hang in there, because Stealth + Sap + Vanish = easy questing.

2 Pieces of advice (and I give these because they are what helped me when I felt the same pain you are feeling now, at that level)

1) Get rid of your dagger (at least in your main hand), and get a big hitting sword ... any sword will do at this stage, but it must be slow (to qualify that before Therion gets on my case, he slower weapons generally hit harder, and at that level, it's practically a given Just kidding Therion ... love your work). Forget about funny little backstabs and gouges - your best friend at that level, before you get the really cool escape artist skills, is speed of kill. Daggers don't kill things fast in toe-to-toe combat (which is what it'll be after your opener), swords do (with Sinister Strike).

2) Learn to pull with your throwing weapon (or bow, or gun ... depending on what you like). Pulling mobs away from the others is the best way to make sure you don't aggro any more my mistake because of your proximity. Sometimes, you can actually split 2 mobs which ordinarily have come together.

I see you've played a warrior ... best thing you can do ... when you're playing a rogue, forget you ever played a warrior. Warriors tend to get themselves in a bind when they try and play a rogue while having warrior playstyle in the back on their mind (this was my problem as well) - you need to use the skills that make a rogue different from a warrior, and the best of those skills, is discretion. Pick your battles, use stealth when you can, and run away when you can (no shame in that - a rogue HAS no shame).

With that last point in mind, Evasion ... use it, really handy to be able to sprint away and dodge any and all attacks that may daze you. Hang on like this until you get Vanish at 22 ... then your world will change (don't ditch the swords though).

Now, making use of these small pieces of information, I set a platform for myself for getting to level 70 with my eyes closed (does that make my comment stupid now ;-> )

*edit*
Ugh, serves me right for not reading the entire thread ... Angry's post 2 up has pretty much all the info you need (I hope I at least added one or 2 extra points here).

Edited, Nov 14th 2008 9:16am by robertlofthouse