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#1 Nov 10 2008 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
Ok I'm coming to source of knowlegde for pally. My son love to brag. He has a tanking 70 pally and like to pretend that he unbeatable and I know this not true but I am not sure which classes would give him hard time. Before I argue with him just want to have my facts correct. so I was hoping somebody could tell which classes would be hard for him to beat?
#2 Nov 10 2008 at 10:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Nov 10 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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I would wager that pally Prot is the absolute worst PvP spec in the game. A skilled almost anything should be able to kill a prot pally 1v1, except MAYBE rogues and DW wars.
#4 Nov 10 2008 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
my prot pally destroys rogues...
#5 Nov 10 2008 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Priest - Mana Burn
Lock - DOT, DOT, DOT Fear "I win Button"
Hunter - Trap, Dispel all buffs, destroy


My prot paly always had trouble with those classes.

#6 Nov 10 2008 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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Hunter - Trap, Dispel all buffs, destroy


Tranquilizing Shot
15 second cooldown
Attempts to remove 1 Enrage and 1 Magic effect from an enemy target.

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Really?
#7 Nov 10 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
Thank for advises

I know rogue don't do good against tanking pally I seen my son beat a rogue that out gear he 4 duels to 1
#8 Nov 10 2008 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
Thank for advises

I know rogue don't do good against tanking pally I seen my son beat a rogue that out gear him 4 duels to 1 (THE PALLY WON)
#9 Nov 10 2008 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
A good Rogue won't lose to a Protection Paladin. It's very easy to just keep moving back and forth to and from the Paladin and getting the openers again and again until he is dead. A rogue that just stands there and tries to go toe to toe with the Paladin, yeah, he'll die from the Shield charges.
#10 Nov 10 2008 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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A bad rogue will outright lose to a prot pally. Holy shield alone will likely do more damage than the rogue does.

A good one though.. It's usually a stupidly long battle with no winner. You do very little damage, he bleeds you, you stun or bubble to heal. Repeat for 10 minutes.
#11 Nov 11 2008 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
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A good Rogue won't lose to a Protection Paladin. It's very easy to just keep moving back and forth to and from the Paladin and getting the openers again and again until he is dead. A rogue that just stands there and tries to go toe to toe with the Paladin, yeah, he'll die from the Shield charges


Its actually a lot harder for rogues to beat prot pallys now that we have HotR(that procs SoV on hit) and near infinite maana because of BoSanc procs due to them dw'ing. If you spec'ed 30sec stuns, you should win every time.

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I would wager that pally Prot is the absolute worst PvP spec in the game. A skilled almost anything should be able to kill a prot pally 1v1, except MAYBE rogues and DW wars.


PvP prot spec isn't too bad atm, been in a couple bgs where i've lead kills and damage. I just wear a mix of pve tank gear and pvp ret gear, somewhere in the 450def/100res range. With a couple buffs i'm around 2k ap and 16k hp which is pretty good dam for HotR. Best thing to do is not to try and solo anything(except other melee), stay with a grp, preferably one with a healer. In general try to go with offensive grps as many times opposing defenders don't have time to recognize that you're not ret until its too late. As most of our damage abilities are AoE, try and make sure you hit 2-3 players whenever you can. Judge justice on kiters to help out other dps with you, nothing better than making sure a resto druid can't run away:) But like any melee class you can be focused down stupidly easily if multiple range target you.

One of the bigger liabilities as prot spec is that you won't be able to solo any healer. You can burst them down the last 20% if you have all you cds and enough mana to use them all, but in general you want to focus on doing as much dam to opposing dps, esp other melee.
#12 Nov 11 2008 at 6:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Ehcks wrote:
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Hunter - Trap, Dispel all buffs, destroy


Tranquilizing Shot
15 second cooldown
Attempts to remove 1 Enrage and 1 Magic effect from an enemy target.

>.>
Really?


Well, we have like, two. Three if RF is up.
#13 Nov 11 2008 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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Prot Pally is a LOT better in PvP than it was before the patch. We still have 0 resilience unless we mix gear as another poster stated, but we put out a lot more damage than we used to and and have even better ability to survive. The best way to beat a Prot Paladin is to drain his mana any way you can. Rogues used to be the bane of the Prot Paladin, but now if they have equal gear it is a fair fight since the Paladin can get out of stunlocks pretty easily with several different tricks now.

Warlocks are still tough, and shadow priests and hunters can be annoying, though they are beatable.
#14 Nov 12 2008 at 4:59 AM Rating: Good
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jeromesimina wrote:
Rogues used to be the bane of the Prot Paladin


I never PvPd much with my Paladin, but I think I missed something in this claim. My Paladin (as Prot) is the only character I've never had issues with a Rogue. Ever. And I'm not just talking about random green-clad Rogues, I mean Arena geared Rogues too. Yea, stupidly long and meaningless fights, but I never had any real issues (hey, I'm Prot, it would have been stupidly long anyway =/). Just curious if Rogues beating Prot Palys really was the norm and I somehow was exempt lol, or what :)

Since the patch and new abilities though, I haven't really come across any Rogues at all, so I'm curious about something: just how bad is their new Dismantle ability for us/Warriors? I've heard various people, even Rogues, complaining that it's stupidly OP, but I can't comment personally as I've not encountered it yet.
#15 Nov 14 2008 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
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Hunter - Trap, Dispel all buffs, destroy



Quote:
Tranquilizing Shot
15 second cooldown
Attempts to remove 1 Enrage and 1 Magic effect from an enemy target.

>.>
Really?



Yeah, a good hunter should be able to dispel your buffs and effectively kite you to death. Yeah, there will be a "bubble+Heals" and the fight shouldn't be a zerg them to death fight, but without an ability to make up the distance - unless the hunter is a huntard - they *Should* be able to beat a protection paly. Now a Ret paly should have the burst damage to get the hunter on the ground, but a prot paly just don't have that kinda damage. Is it an impossible fight? - No. But it is one that the hunter should win.

#16 Nov 14 2008 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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For every 5 hunters I meet in 1v1 world PvP, I beat 4 of them (and I am NOT very good at PvP). A good hunter will be able to beat a Prot Paladin, but 80% aren't that good.

Shield throw to daze the hunter and pet, close the distance with the hunter, seal/judge, throw in a HoJ, HoR, a few swings, Judge, HoR, HoW. That kills 80% of the hunters I have run into.

If the hunter gets the drop on you and drains your mana, you can lose pretty easily, but I always have a few mana pots on me for emergencies.
#17 Nov 15 2008 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
Well, I'm a prot pally... and I can beat anything except a healer. I can even beat locks if they're dumb enough to not use Felhunter.

Case in point; I was attacked by an enhance shaman, a ret paladin and a rogue the other day and beat all 3, then ate and drank and stood up ready to beat them all again. Granted, they were crap, but Prot is not to be messed with by the unwary any more.
#18 Nov 21 2008 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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After 3.0 but pre-Wrath I had quite a bit of fun dueling guild members before and after runs as Holy. The only class I found that absolutely could not beat was our damned priest. Manaburn has to be the most annoying spell EVAR!1!1 He beat me soundly the first time I fought him. After I knew what to expect we would just go on and on forever. A few times ending up cancelling the duel due to being too far away from the flag from MCs or Fears. Everything else was pretty much a breeze. Holy Shock seems to be so buffed now I pretty much just hit that as soon CD is up.

I am very interested in trying Prot though. It's been a long time but I hear nothing but good.
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