What spec will you be using to level?Follow

I put 31 points into assassination to get Overkill, not Seal Fate.

Overkill is one talent point, slaughter from the shadows is 5. Getting Overkill allows other goodies from the assassination tree as well as 10 less energy hemo's for 6 seconds.

You have to remember that Overkill lowers Kidney Shot to 15 energy, Evis to 25 energy, Shiv to 25 energy, Rupture to 15 energy, etc etc.

It lowers Cheap Shot, Garrote, and all your opening moves by 10 energy as well. 30 energy cheap shot openers? Good stuff.

At 80 I will be specc'd 5/5 into sinister calling.

Don't really see the problem here.

Edited, Nov 12th 2008 9:43pm by Zafire

I hit 70 a month ago and it's my first 70. Damn me for not having good gear. lol

Assassination gives Lethality, which will make hemo do far, far more then full sub. 30% extra critical hit damage is a very very large enhancement.

Vigor, FLEET FOOTEED, COLD BLOOD, Seal fate/murder, and overkill.

You do know that you can reach 97% stealth movement speed with fleet footed and 3/3 camo, right?

The point of overkill/sub is to dish out as much damage as you can in 6 seconds. This will do far better then sub will. As it stands at 70 that's the way to win.

At 80 I actually might consider trying full sub, because I wont lose out on Lethality or Cold Blood. But at 70? Not me, i'll stick with 31/0/30. I really have a lot of fun with it, and I am #1 dps rogue in 4/5 BG's i'm in. So i'm confident it's alright.

What is AtoL anyways?

Mmkay, theo, i'll be going full sub at 80. It really does look better. But a few things



Where do you get 15% weapon damage from? The only thing that raises hemo damage is SC, and i'd have that in my 80 spec. What am I missing?



Well the discussion seemed to verve to PvP. At any rate, yeah. Cold Blood could be useful while leveling, though.



Oh, for sure. I'm just trying to find a good way to work with swords that doesn't completely suck in PVP too. At 71 I get pre-med, so I can start out with evis on every mob. Plus I get hemo spam with seal fate, so I can probably get 2 5 point evis's off in about 8~ seconds. It'll work nicely for grinding I think. Plus i'm going to spec in MoS, so I can make the 6 seconds more precious. It's just a preference, i'm not really aiming for "level as fast as I can". At 70, 31/0/30 comes with heightened senses, prep, and a few more survival tools. That's *mainly* why I prefer it at 70 over mut in PvP. I have never had a problem with a Rogue getting me while stealthed since I started using this and using the engineering goggles. I love it



I've been torn between mut and overkill/sub. Other rogues and feral's are a problem in BG's without HS. I don't notice them, or they notice me first, or I open on someone only to get opened on. I realize at 80 mut will have HS too, but we where speaking for 70. The only class I ever really have a problem with mobility on is hunters and paladin's. Sprint + Deadly Throw + CoS works on mages really well.

HoT does just look too good. I'm definately respeccing at 80.

I was replying to this:

Because it's false. 15% weapon damage roughly equates to 30% critical strike damage (if not more), as damage done is doubled for melee crits.

To simplify, your hemo hits for 110% weapon damage, 220% when crit. My hemo hits for 125% non-crit, 250% when crit. You add 30% crit damage to yours, and you get 250%. So, roughly the same, yet I didn't have to spec into Assassination, my hemos always cost 30 energy, I have HAT, and I have ShS.

Oh, and I have more AP, and thus I hit harder.

When I say a build is terrible, I have reasons why I'm saying so.

I'll change the tone of this thread for a few seconds with a bit of (now unrelated) anecdotal evidence from my experiments last night.

So I spec'd into HaT as suggested, but stayed with the daggers in order to make use of the backstab benefit. I'm using 8/0/53 build for the extra BS crit. I even took Shadowdance, which I'd not had much joy with in terms of finding a use for ... until now.

What I've discovered (most likely a considerable amount of time after the majority of you guys) is the most incredible stun-locking / high damage build yet. Opening with CS, and following with a BS almost always gives me 5 CP's (thanks to HaT). I can follow that with a KS, giving me more time to continue landing BS's. If the mob is not going to die by the time KS runs out (keeping an eye on debuff timers) ... then I'll either Evis if I'm sure that'll do the job, or, if I've have a bad run of crits, enter ShadowDance, CS, Ambush, whatever.

It was ... to put it simply ... amazing. The amount of control and damage pumped out was pretty awesome (and that with the SSO revered daggers - so far from optimal). Once I settled into a rythm, which was after about 10-15 minutes. I started moving through mobs taking them down in less than 10 seconds, taking zero damage, and therefore zero downtime. Now all I need to do is keep an eye out for some better daggers come Northrend, and I'm really set.

Ofc, I had a problem when I accidentally pulled ads ... blind is handy for one of them ... but any more is a problem. Then again, that's what vanish is for .. and if that's on cooldown, there's always prep .. woohoo.

A nice little aside, I'm mapped a shortcut key to outfitter to allow me to equip my 2 swords if if happens that I got do my regular opening strat - in which case, I simply burn the mob down with direct attrition. I will therefore need to make sure I keep 2 sets of weapons as up to date as possible.

It's probably not as "efficient" as combat or Mut in terms of overall kill time, but I'm actually not that interested in getting to 80 as fast as possible. I fully intend to stay stealthed, checking objectives out, deciding on a strategy ... blah, blah, blah ... the RPer in me is struggling hard to break free ;-)

Thanks for opening my eyes ... I had started becoming stuck in my ways .. I'm glad to have found yet another way of enjoying this class.

Rofl ... very colourful Moz ..!

I'm yet to try Mut .. it's pretty much the only style I haven't tried yet ... who knows, I might like it (I hated it when Mut was positional - which is strange, seeing as I'm finding BS so workable now .. ah well, who can explain these things).

As for ShS Daggers sucking in PvP, I can't offer any input there ... I hate PvP (yes, even as a rogue), so any build I try will be focussed on solo play in the questing (and grinding at 80) arena.