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#27 Nov 13 2008 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a 70 druid and shaman.

My conclusion, solo leveling -> Druid = Easy mode, especially if you are feral.
You are NOT gear dependent. You dont need a good weapon to do good dps. (at least not while leveling up).
With stealth, you can selectively pick and choose who/wat to kill when questing and skip the time wasting trash. Never had to worry about getting another good item just to keep up the dps level.

Enhancement shaman (I leveled to 70 as Enh) is fun. Little downtime, but killing speed/efficiency varies as I level up. Whenever I get a new buff (e.g. WF), or a new weapon, Whoa, fun. A few levels later... so slow...

Also.. I tend to be ganked a lot when playing shamans. Simply because we don't have any escape mechanisms. While when I was on my druid, most of the time they leave me alone (I guess most pple know it's hard, they can run away real fast).

#28 Nov 17 2008 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Shamans can solo just fine. Resto shamans can solo A LOT of group quests just because of their high armor, earth shield, totems, and ability to whittle down anyone's health that can't heal themselves. Elemental shamans probably have it worse for survivability but increased speed. Enhancement is mana efficient and just as fast as elemental.


Resto sham's can solo just about anything, but would I recommend it? No. I tried to take out a 69 elite this weekend, I managed after 15 minutes of trying... It might have been easier to find someone around to kill it while I heal them. :)
#29 Nov 18 2008 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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I have a 71 feral and a 64 shammie. Both easy to level. Im enhancement and I have to say, when I hit 40 my killing power really took off. Very little downtime and she is a blast to play.

that druid was an idiot.
#30 Nov 23 2008 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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A miserably geared 'weak' class can out-do a well-geared 'strong' class in any event just by changing who is at the keyboard. Good player > all other factors. Granted, an xlnt tank with rotten gear won't tank as well as a mediocre one with mediocre gear just because he doesnt stay alive well :) - but overall, it's about the player, not the toon. I am a healer - hand me a T6 geared warrior and I'd still be the worst tank you have ever seen. But I assure you I can heal any instance in OL in L70 greens, and most raids in appropriate blues - and do better than some snots in brilliant purples.

What *you* can do depends on you playing a class you are comfortable with, that works well with your style. Same for that druid. If I really had to evaluate the meaning behind his statement, it would be "he must have really sucked as a shaman, before he rolled that druid."

~Nax

L73 Resto Shaman (H)
L70 Ele Shaman (A)[leveled wholly solo, without ever running an instance]
L66 Boomkin (A) [Levelled wholly solo, stealth-ran Gnomeregan at 35 with a rogue friend]
L70 Disc Priest (H)
L60 Resto Druid (H)
L34 Ele Shaman (H)[solo again]
(Gave up on Rogue and Pally because *I* suck at them - not because the classes sucked)
#31 Nov 23 2008 at 11:08 PM Rating: Good
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Resto sham's can solo just about anything, but would I recommend it? No. I tried to take out a 69 elite this weekend, I managed after 15 minutes of trying... It might have been easier to find someone around to kill it while I heal them. :)


That's the thing. Resto shamans can actually solo MANY quests that 95% of other classes/specs can not simply because they have the armor/mitigation and healing capabilities to simply outlast a mob. Flame Shock + Searing totem + flametongue weapon... just whittles away the life of anything. If you have the mana regen and ability to outheal the damage coming in, you will win. I'm not advocating running around solo'ing elites all day, but it's very possible to just to finish quests.
#32 Nov 24 2008 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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A miserably geared 'weak' class can out-do a well-geared 'strong' class in any event just by changing who is at the keyboard. Good player > all other factors. Granted, an xlnt tank with rotten gear won't tank as well as a mediocre one with mediocre gear just because he doesnt stay alive well :) - but overall, it's about the player, not the toon. I am a healer - hand me a T6 geared warrior and I'd still be the worst tank you have ever seen. But I assure you I can heal any instance in OL in L70 greens, and most raids in appropriate blues - and do better than some snots in brilliant purples.

This is an idealistic and ultimately naive point of view. Skill can compensate for gear, spec, and class up to a point, but the reverse is also true of class and spec. A perfectly played Elemental Shaman may indeed out-DPS a mediocre Balance Druid, but the difference would be a lot less noticeable than if the better player was manning the Balance Druid and the mediocre player was steering the Shaman. When a man with a pistol meets a man with a rifle, the man with the pistol is a dead man. This is likely true even if he's the best pistolier in the world. A rifle just shoots more powerful, faster, accurate shots from longer range.

Ret Paladins (I really don't mean to keep picking on them, but if the glove fits...) after 3.0.2 illustrate this point rather forcefully. A Ret Pally has only to charge in and start keeping all their attacks on cooldown and they're very nearly guaranteed to post 30% of their party's DPS in any five-man instance. And that's in spite of skill, not because of it, because I have seen plenty of obnoxious, poorly-played Ret Pallies do just that.

Edited, Nov 25th 2008 10:23am by Gaudion
#33 Nov 24 2008 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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He said shammies can't solo for nothing. I said I seem to be doing fine. He said sure at lower levels. Wait tell you get to outlands. He said your going to regret not rolling a feral druid.

Wow what an idiot. The first clue was that he followed you around for 10 minutes like a sheep.

Anyway, having leveled many classes to 70 I can tell you that shammies do just fine in solo quests in Outland. My enhancement shaman had absolutely no problems questing in Outland. And once you get the rock monster totem you can solo group quests that would be very difficult with other classes. Keep in mind that Shamans have gotten better at solo grinding over the course of many patches, and your heckler may be simply behind the times.

Post WOTLK, Shamans are even better than before. For example, enhancement shamans get an instant-cast lesser heal roughly every 30 sec, and every 3 min can put out the dogs which not only attack but heal you like crazy. And with the latest water globes you can blast shocks and drop totems to your hearts content without running out of mana.

Maybe it's not quite as fast as a feral druid, but it's very respectable dps, and your ability to survive bad pulls/elites I would say is surprisingly better than the druid.
#34 Nov 25 2008 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, if taken to an out-of-context degree of extremity, your statement is true. However, the quote in your note clearly shows that the statement explicitly eliminates those extremes.

Using a valid comparison, try taking two identically-geared and specced toons, alllowing one to be played by a skilled player who iknows the class well, and the other by an amateur - the difference will show. Now gear up the amateur, and gear down the 'pro' - the pro will still outperform, until the gear variance passed that point of "out-of-context extremity."

Good playing can't balance out a total lack of gear. Nor can excellent gear balance out a total lack of skill. With that in mind, any class can be successful, when played by a person with skill for the game and an affinity for the playstyle required by that class.
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