Angry Shammy :(Follow

Tell him that he needs to get a life and put him on the ignore list. Problem solved.

Not necessarily true, but shaman is fine at solo the druid was a prick!

I have a lvl 70 shammie and druid and they are both great in their own ways. Unfortunately, my shammie is resto and questing is expected to be a pain (thank goodness I leveled him using other alts). However, I have seen a lvl 70 enhancement shammie killing at a rate that was at least 25% faster than my well-geared (T4/T5) mage. I would pay no attention to the noob and enjoy your rise to 70/80. Once you have maxed that alt out, then you can do a feral druid, as kitty surgical strikes when questing is so much fun.

I have both a 70 elemental and ehancment shaman, I would say for solo pve survivability the elemental shaman has it better. Elemental shamans have a larger mana pool + spellpower to make healing themselves much easier. Spamming water shield almost guarantees you won't run out of mana. True dps is slower on an elemental shaman vrs an enhancment, but chain lightening, heal, chain lightening, heal, chain lightening... down 3 mobs and your off to your next 3 still having full health/mana is an advantage in my mind.

That's a lie. You say that all the time.

Wow, you really are dumb.

You said it yourself:


And now you twist your words around?

this was a reply to the rather funny claim that balance druids are in the top 2 dps, after already naming one class higher dps than them, it only makes sence to name another....3 classes.


oh whats this, is it something towards the balance vs ele discussion?
Will a blance druid do 1400dps in kara gear? no, no it wont.
I was in a group earlier to a few heroics earlier and the T5 balance druid was putting out 800 dps....800 dps, top two my *****


you do know what twisted means? yes?
good

twisted would mean going in another direction, and that would be saying balance is higher dps than ele and that is well, twisted.

<Twisted> is also an elitist guild on steamwheedle cartel

Edited, Nov 9th 2008 12:31pm by redbarronthesecond

:) Well... ok I lied. lol



The problem here is you didn't say KARA gear. First of all, elemental shaman has ALWAYS been stronger at lower level gear but scales REALLY REALLY REALLY poorly. Totem of Wrath, Flametongue weapon enchant.... that's an auto 500+ spell damage over baseline for other casters (well only really 200+ since the totem is raid-wide). Once you get to T5... and then T6, boomkin COMPLETELY BLOWS ELEMENTAL AWAY.

Standard WWS

Now that's from the week after 3.0, and the elemental shaman hasn't raided in awhile so his numbers are a little low (only 1900 dps) and the enhance shaman Gnosis is really badly geared, we just had too many healers so we made him respec. I haven't seen an elemental shaman parse (aside from some I highly doubt that look "adjusted") go above 2500 dps. So there's NO WAY to catch the boomkin on that chart who is rocking over 3k dps. Sorry, just not gonna happen.

[quote]oh whats this, is it something towards the balance vs ele discussion?
Will a blance druid do 1400dps in kara gear? no, no it wont.
I was in a group earlier to a few heroics earlier and the T5 balance druid was putting out 800 dps....800 dps, top two my *************

Anyone can do 1400 dps in kara gear now almost. I did almost 2k dps in BT on my alt mage wearing crafted epics... lol BT is such a joke now we do 2 runs a week. One with our main toons, and another with uber undergeared toons. hahaha <3 it

My Alt DPSing Gorefiend lol

Well, that works out great for us. You can help all the Elemental Shaman limp along while we take all the Balance Druids into the content at 80 where DPS will actually start to matter again.

The guy is both right and wrong.

Feral druids are probably the fastest leveling class in game. Cat dps looks strong post 75 and bear tanks are insane now. (In terms of offspecs, anyone here really wanna claim a boomkin nowadays can't dps and a resto cant raid heal, let alone PvP heal?)

Just cruise this forum to see how much Shamans suck in PvP, how they do not top meters in their dps specs or hps in resto.

There is a big however.

Shamans are awesome. Mad fun, and do not suck unless you are talking about whether they can bust out into the top 5% in various categories. The fact that, from a min/max perspective, a druid has a slight edge on shamans does not mean anyone should ditch their shammies. Ironically, my guild has needed my resto shaman more than my feral druid, and the shammy is kitted out in raid gear while the feral is sitting neglected in S1 welfare epics. So tell your 70 druid pal to pound sand. Play what you enjoy.

Tell him until he's the one that pays your subscription fees you can play however the hell you want and he can bugger off.

Who cares which is better. EVERY CLASS AND EVERY SPEC CAN SOLO! If he thought shammies sucked at soloing he played a terrible.

After leveling both a Feral Druid and Enhancement Shaman, I've found them similar in both leveling speed and lack of downtime. The Shaman has much lower survivability, but higher damage output. That's pretty much the only difference. I had to stay clear of some fights my Druid would have shrugged off, but made up for it by taking all the other fights somewhat faster than the Druid would have.

Pro's of both classes:

Druid:

* Shapeshifts remove movement impairing effects. Add Travelform to this, and death is not an option, no matter the pull.
* Tank/DPS in a single specc. No mob is too hard, and a Bash will allow you to heal to full before you are back into shapeshift form. I've been in continuous combat for over 30 minutes straight on my Druid. (The Tower in Silithus, with the neverending spawns? Yeah, didn't know I had to loot them, and just kept killing them. After 30 minutes I wasn't close to dying, but I got tired of it...)
* No downtime. Once in a while you have to shapeshift for a heal. Resume killing immediately.
* Stealth. Alot of time is wasted by trash, stealth allows you to circumvent this. Also allows you to get away from corpsecampers.
* A few stuns which are nice.
* Depending on talents, makes escape impossible. High "stay in melee range" capability.

Shaman:

* Enormous burst at times. Procc based though...
* High dps.
* Self/other heals. Combine with Water Shield for little downtime.
* Very versatile group buffing.
* Two spellbreakers. Shares CD though.
* Frost Shock and Totem helps keep people in range.


Quite similar classes in their pros, but Shamans are somewhat more group oriented than Druids. I must admit I find my Shaman to be slightly worse at soloing than my Druid, but hardly bad. As Enhancement, there's very few enemies I can't take down and do it fast. I just have to resign myself to most likely dying if I get a few unforeseen adds, or somehow try to escape where my Druid would just switch to Bearform and hit Frenzied Regen.

So, both classes rock. Both classes can solo easily. Both classes have group viability. Both classes are fine. I haven't discussed PvP here, and I won't, except to say that while leveling I found my Shaman to be more fun in PvP than my Druid.