Attention All BM ExoticsFollow

The theory

Ferocity pets burst as a percentage with aspect of the beast

I've been running some numbers to see the valueable-ness of aspect of the hawk versus aspect of the beast. With Hawk I see about 50-60 dps increase. Which then i tried beast and my pet recieves about the 40-60 DPS increase. However, when I turn talents on and use the ap % uppers, his DPS flies more with beast that hawk. My theory is that when you go all DPS spam and trigger all ur cooldowns and trinkets and BW and stuff switch to aspect of the beast. The attack power it adds helps the 10% ur ferocity pet adds then rapid can get up to 25% additional AP so thats 35%. Then it does 50% more damage with BW. Not to mention it will get extra ap if it uses it's % uppers while u have the 200 extra ap trinket active. Now why do I address this to exotics? As we all know Devilsaurs are suppose to be the King DPS pets. They have a thing that can up their ap%+ to 9%. So that puts the percent upper at 44% which means through the fight aspect of the beast will an additional total of 4% ap to ur pet. Which would put ur pet at 48% additional ap. Provided ur using a devilsaur. That would be about ~100 imcrease in damage? Idk

My aspect of the hawk grants 201 range attack power which is 14.356 extra damage per hit and 49 extra attack power for my pet which is 3.5 damage more per hit.

The theory is aspect of the beast is better for for all out 18 sec burst DPS. However i'm trying ot test this but i'm a recount noob. Could some1 gives this a try?

You'll need to type a lot better if you want anything but flaming though...
(mainly use the [enter] button... It's awesome.)

Are devilsaurs the DPS kings now? I just picked up the new cheeky spreadsheet (thanks Aethien for pointing it out to me) And so far, at level 70 that is, the cat is dominating the DPS for me (by about 20 DPS over Devilsaur and 30 over the corehound...which is too bad because I LOVE the corehound)

I haven't started to mess around with level 80 builds yet....that will be today.

I seriously doubt that we'll be using exotic pets though...
I Think/Guess/Hope we'll be speccing 50/21
Simply because I dont see a devilsaur outdps a cat + the added uptime from BW and Rapid Fire and those 4 pet talentpoints arent useful at all...

Unless they were to buff the Devilsaur, or if the Spirit beast is a much higher dps pet than we think, I agree with Aethien. My 80 spec is only slightly different from his but for the most part i agree about exotics.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ctbMztgRmu0ekx0eAbM0z

I never use Serpent sting or arcane in any of my BM rotations, so i am not going to spec into them. I use the rotation that is on EJ for BM hunters and it is working wonderfully.

damn it people...everytime I think I am getting the feel of what will be better you all throw things like thinking into the mix. I was leaning towards Glyph of Hunter's Mark

Edited, Nov 6th 2008 4:35pm by zebug

I will probably stay away from the HM glyph come WotLK. For 25-man raids, I have another hunter in my guild who is always just ITCHING to cast it- even while I had pre-3.0 imp HM. If it makes him happy to have the glyph and be in charge of casting it, it makes me happy to have other glyphs.

I will not, however, have a 51/xx/xx build. I am stoked that we can have 50 points into BM and readiness. I will have a pretty similar build to the one Aethien posted, except I'm (probably) going with 1 point for GftT and 1 point for Rapid Killing. As BM, I crit so often that 2 points into GftT creates a giant focus surplus. Well, I may have to stick with 2 points for a little while because crit scales down with level, so I probably won't have 30% unbuffed crit rating when I first hit level 80.

I like the looks of 0/40/31, so I really hope that that will be viable.

+12% AP from TSA (with glyph), 17% additional crit on Steady and arcane (13% on auto), 19% extra Agi, heaps of additional AP from Expose Weakness, hunter vs wild and Imp HM, Steady only costing 3.55% of base mana instead of 5%.

with that much additional agility I think you'll get ~20% crit before talents in pre-raid gear... so I guess a ~37% chance to crit on steady and arcane... /drool

I think you overlooked the fact that with readiness, you already use RF once each 3 minutes, so the cooldown of readiness will be finished at the same time or before the cooldown of rapid fire anyway.

You could try to free 1 more point and get 2 in rapid killing to get double rapid fires each time... but since 2/2 rapid killing is only a 1.5% dps increase at best I dont really see the point.

Hmmm, I really really hope that chimera shot or explosive shot will tip the balance so you don't do that hybrid, but the scaling stats are convincing. this is the build I can see for full MM. Hopefully it'll end up being more damage. I have a feeling they'll tweak the wild quiver imp steady so that it's worth getting those, and at that point you'll get Chimera. Of course, they let SV not often use readiness for all of BC so who knows. The massive scaling in your build is really really nice, but I really like Chimera, so I hope it ends up being a viable build.

Edited, Nov 7th 2008 8:36pm by Xsarus

Careful Aim is a no brainer if we have a hard time getting hit capped. It might be hard in pre-Naxx stuff, but from what I've seen, there are pieces with 50+ hit on them, and a lot of enchants with hit rating.

Heh, and I mentioned instant Aimed Shot to a rogue. He almost cried before he started to yell and QQ about hunter utility and the fact that rogues are useless because hunters can do everything they can do from range. He swears that hunters are the sole reason rogues have such a hard time getting a permanent raid spot.

Edit: doublepost so here's the latest calculations on RF/Readiness by Azuarc



Edited, Nov 8th 2008 8:32pm by Aethien