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#1 Nov 05 2008 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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As many of you know, I leveled all the way to 70 as feral. I ran Kara for the first time as feral last night, and while no feral leather dropped, a bunch of resto/balance stuff did, which is what I've been wanting. I wanted to try out balance, but I didn't want to be in greens while I did it. So now I'm respecced and everything, and I love it. Stuff just falls apart when I start throwing spells around, and I rarely run out of mana! Incredible! Its like my mage, but buff!
#2 Nov 05 2008 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I've got a fresh 60 druid who's been running feral since being a kitten. I really want to spec into moonkin to see what allt he fuss is about.. especially with yesterday's talent refund.

What should a balance talent build look like with this new patch? I notice no one takes Typhoon. Is that just a PvP deal? Seems like it could be somewhat viable for soloing if you manage your aggro range to avoid chain pulls form the knockback. And owlkin frenzy is usually skipped...

Just new to the idea of a moonkin and was looking for some help :)

#3 Nov 05 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
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This is the build I use right here.

This build allows you to allocate 4 points where you feel they should go, and there is a difference in where you put them.

If you want to increase your single target dps in a raid, you'll want to be glyphed MF/SF and throw those 4 points into genesis. The reason being is you trinket your moonfire and enter into combat with it for more tic damage. The SF glyph will continue to add time to the moonfire tic so it ends up doing some pretty good tic damage while you're in between starfire casts.

If you want to keep good single target dps, but do more damage in aoe you can put one point in Starfall, 2/2 Gale Winds, and you'll have one point to either throw into Typhoon, or Force of Nature. You're hurricane will push out more damage and you'll have Starfall to also add on for more damage in your aoe.

My personal use is the single target dps, now that you dont return mana on aoe I don't seem to have near as much fun with it as I used too.
#4 Nov 05 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks Arex... great suggestions and excellent reasoning. I'll opt for the single target/DPS build as it's more in line with where I'm at with my druid.

I'd like both the trees and my typhoon... guess I need to pick on huh? :P

Thanks for the suggestion and info... top of my list when I get logged on next!
#5 Nov 05 2008 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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This is what I'm doing at level 70. I like typhoon, and trees! It works well for everything I've done in the 24 hours since respec.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Muradin&n=Thenatureboy
#6 Nov 05 2008 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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Crazy, Starlight Wrath 0/5, Celestial Focus 0/3, Nature's Reach 0/2, 3/5 Earth and Moon, 0/5 Furor, and 3/5 Moonfury?

Your build confuses me, can you enlighten me on why you picked up Owlkin Frenzy and Eclipse? You're missing out on some pretty big damage buffs.
#7 Nov 05 2008 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I just went with what a friend suggested. If you've got a better suggestion, I'm not going to refuse your advice :). Like I said, I'm still learning how to play this build, and extra damage is always good.

Edit: The two talents you mentioned that are 3/5, are actually 3/3 in game.

Edited, Nov 5th 2008 6:11pm by crazyrick
#8 Nov 05 2008 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey Arex, as long as your judging the "Amateur Hour at the Balance Builds" competition, mind checking mine out? : )

Note that this is really just me using the free respec and downtime of waiting around for WotLK to mess around, so I considered all the talent-based spells (Insect Swarm, Typhoon, Starfall, and Trees) mandatory. I did try to take most of the talents that boost damage, though, and frankly I'm a little dissapointed in my DPS. I mean I know my gear isn't as good as my feral gear (3kAP/35% crit) but from what I've read here I expected to do throw around more damage than I seem to be with this build and gear (+650 spell dam, 16.8% crit in moonkin, regen 245). Recount shows me doing an average of around 400dps as I got about the dailies...weaksauce compared to my feral'd out kittycat.

Main thing that bugs me is all the damn downtime. Even with Dreamstate I find myself drinking all the damn time, so not used to that. I shoulda grabbed Intensity, probably.
#9 Nov 05 2008 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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If I came off as an ***, that was completely unintentional. :(

Jeebar, your spec is actually pretty good for what you intend on using it for.

I don't use Nature's Focus and go with 3/3 Celestial Focus for the raid. The chance to stun though with celestial focus is nice when you end up using starfall in pvp.

Other than that it looks fine :D
#10 Nov 06 2008 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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ive actually been levelling as balance, and with the insect swarm/moonfire glyphs and stacking "of the owl" gear, i have limitless mana, no downtime (not even for drinking), and i can chain pull. its kind of broken almost. i also have the herbalism lifeblood skill so i dont need to shift forms for self healing.

i'm pre-outland so i dont know how much the game changes at that point, but for right now (lv 36-52) the whole time i've been balance has been extremely fun and rather easy.
#11 Nov 06 2008 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the validation, Arex. You didn't come across as an *** to me anyway, my comment about you judging amateur hour at the balance builds was meant to be self-deprecating humor. Also deprecating crazyrick, but he seemed to be in a "hey I dunno you tell me" kinda mode too. : )

I took Nature's Focus because I run battlegrounds fairly often since I have short unpredictable play sessions. The pushback resistance on cc (roots), damage (wrath) and healing spells (regrowth) seemed invaluable.

Not sure why I took Imp MotW instead of throwing those points innto Celestial Focus...I guess 10% chance to stun on Starfire didn't seem worth it. And I didn't notice that it covered Starfall now. But I tend to use Wrath more than Starfire/Starfall anyway.


As far as my mana problem, I've found myself much more mana-efficient once I realized that my DoTs weren't living up to their full potential. By that I mean I was unnecessarily unloading full DoTtage and direct damage on non-elite mobs -- Moonfire is fairly expensive and was hardly getting to tick so that was wasted mana. I'm now just rooting, insect swarming (costst like 25% of moonfire) and wrathing/starfiring as the mood hits me.

#12 Nov 06 2008 at 12:34 AM Rating: Decent
yeah i went all balance with this http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xGohiIsIdIVhRu when im' boomkin wich is mainly raiding. thought of putting some into resto but too many goodies in balance to get atm more int doesnt seem that much help really.
#13 Nov 06 2008 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Indeed, I was asking for help, therefore opening myself up for ridicule far worse than Arex's comments :D. But I've redone my talents now, and I'm seeing how they work.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Muradin&n=Thenatureboy
#14 Nov 06 2008 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm...I went back to Feral @ about 50 something (right after patch) to try Mangle. Up until that point i had been Moonkin since 40. I stayed Feral since it seemed i kept running out of Mana, again post patch. I had plenty of Int/Spirit gear too. Did i give up on it too soon?

I do prefer the moonkin stle of play, just wonder how the heck (maybe i'm on crack and just dont get it) some of you all dont run out of Mana. Keep in mind i am currently lvl 64 coming up on 65. So still a "noobroski" when it comes to drood.

>tugging on Arex's lower pant leg- Dad!! Help!!<

I specified "lower pant leg", for some of you gender insecure types, so only Arex has a nifty comment like, "Well that's were it "reaches" son".

Let the reponses flow...

#15 Nov 06 2008 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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A good way to pull through the grind to 70 w/o going crazy amounts of oom is to just focus on damage/int/spirit gear, now I haven't had to do this grind in a long while as boomkin but what I'm thinking now will get you through is this.

A higher intellect obviously is going to help your dreamstate on top of your mp5 already. Intellect when talented adds back to your spell damage which is good, plus having more int means less down time with mana issues. Spirit is spirit, if you're spec'd Imp Moonkin it will obviously add damage and give you more mp5.

I would also glyph with moonfire and insect swarm. You won't be raiding so you're not going to need the -% chance to hit from mobs for your tanks and your insect swarm is going to push out more damage. Plus having that moonfire glyph is going to increase your over time damage. I would try a spell rotation something like this: Pull with either starfire or entangling roots. If you pull with starfire, root afterwards to keep yourself from getting hit, and then dot it up with MF/IS. Most mobs in that level range have about 3-6k health, the tic damage you give them should be more than enough to drop them down far enough to hit them with a wrath or another starfire.

This is more of a patient way to kill them, but trying to be more mana conservative. Just consider yourself like a lock.

Another good way to get through w/o going oom as well is to build a set of spirit gear. Just normal greens that offer great amounts of spirit. Once you build up a spirit set that gives you a decent amount of spirit write a macro or use outfitter to make a quick click button so you can pop it on and use innervate. Obviously if you do this you're goal is going to make your mana pool last 6 minutes.

Also, going 5/5 furor will help giving 10% more intellect in boomkin form.

All of this may or may not fix your problems with going oom but you're going to run in to times where you need to drink to mana up.

I'll link you guys my armory so you can see how I have my gear set up. Mind you I may be in my boomkin pvp spec and in my pvp gear (resto s2 ftl). But I'll try to get in raiding gear before I head to work today.

Edit: I totally didn't link you guys my armory.... This is it.

Edit Again: In my pve gear and with my spec I linked earlier I'm hitting single target dps for a max of around 2000-2100 dps and 1400 is generally the lowest dps I get. My gear isn't all that spectacular a majority of it is either badge/za/kara. Two pieces are from TK and my Boots are from BT. So getting crazy good gear isn't a necessary thing if you know how to push your spells and stack your stats correctly. Talented and raid buffed my Starfire crit chance is usually between 43-44%, which I rely heavily on for damage.

Edited, Nov 6th 2008 2:22pm by ArexLovesPie
#16 Nov 06 2008 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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exactly what ive been doing arex, i dont even need dreamstate or furor. glyph of IS and MF, open with starfire > roots > MF > IS, and if i know the mob has too much hp to die from that i'll wrath it after roots breaks. i chain pull and never drink. its awesome
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