First time in Black TempleFollow

Hi there! So, my guild's organizing a Black Temple run tonight. It'll be my first time there, so I have a few questions.

What would be the best spec for me, a full epic Kara / SSC gear mage in 8xx spelldamage unbuffed? Heard good things about frost, but I'm not sure.

Are there any great glyphs for x spec you would like to see me raid my first BT as? Haven't touched glyphs or any of those items so far, know nothing about them.

Other general tips are welcome aswell ofcourse.

Thanks in advance!

I am not going to be the Mage tank, no. Thank you for your advice anyway, gave me some general ideas :)

I have raided mainly as Fire earlier. Been mostly to kara, a few (3?) SSC bosses, VR once in TK, and I just recently went to MH to kill Azgalor or whatever first bosses name is, and got Archimonde to 46%. That's my raiding progress so far.

Armory: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Silvermoon&n=Frostshiver

Currently in PvP gear, not updated, but my pve gear gives me 148 hit, 962 unbuffed SPD (as arcane) and 11k mana. I am although 61 Arcane so... Bit lower actual stats.

Not that used to it, and tbh I'd prefer Fire or Frost or maybe an ap build over full arcane. Got any recommendations?

Thanks a lot. Gonna go frost, but your frost build links me to a 3 arcane focus spec only :(

I went to BT as basically...my very first raid. I'd been to Kara a couple of times, but neither were successful, and I spent both of them about half the time lying on the floor, watching the fight dead, lol.

I went to BT with similar stats as yours, with a frost build similar to the one mgjr linked. If I am allowed to do it over, I'll take a full 61 points in frost. (Don't look at my build right now, it needs tweaking, but there are some nice onces in the Improved Frostbolt thread). I just have the evocation glyph so far (well, and the penguin, which doesn't really affect anything), but I'm going to get the mana gem one today. I didn't have any mana problems, though, with the regular gem. I had some pots, maybe chugged one, but I don't remember.

We got to Mother and though we got her down, it was really horrid, because there were only a couple of people who had SR gear (I did not, as I didn't think there was any way in hell I'd be allowed to go, so I thought I had another week to work on the SR gear, thus I died every time). Anyway, I worked my *** off to get the SR gear for the next try, and though not all of us had SR gear, we still got Mother down much more quickly and tried the Council. The point is, though, that I lived through the fight with Mother because I did have the SR gear, so work on that as much as you can. (I had 238 SR, but just get as much as you can, that **** is expensive to have crafted.)

Our guild is kind of up in the air about raiding and etc right now, so we still have not seen the Council down, but I hope to before the expansion, just so I can SEE Illidan. :)

Anyway, my advice as a brand new newbie raider is to become as agile as you can in your play style. I have spent most of the time up to lvl 70 standing still (with the exception of some PVP), but if you can learn to follow someone's orders while they're calling the shots, stacking when they say, avoiding moving dangers, etc, you'll do fine. It's something I'm working hard on and getting better at.

Also, go to bosskillers.com and read the strats for each boss. I came away from that site feeling a little more confused than when I went, but once the raid was actually happening, I found that I remembered some things from the strats that helped me tremendously.

And if this is your guild's first try, don't be disappointed if you can't get all the way through the first time unless you have a lot of hours to spend on it tonite. You have a lot of people learning a lot of different things, so it takes practice (Bloodboil is FUN!)

Good luck, and have fun! I hope your raid leader is as knowledgable and patient as mine! :) Let us know how it goes. :)

P.S. Get your hit up as much as you can towards cap, and spend some gold on consumables. I'm a superior wizard oil addict (for a little while longer, sigh), and I like the adept's elixir (though something like Flask of Pure Death might be less expensive if you end up dying a lot and are spec'd frost or fire), and buff food.

I respec'd real quick before last night's raid. That'll teach me to do it "real quick." lol. First, I really didn't need the extra hit, since we had 3, maybe 4 mages on the spellstealing, and second, I totally left FoF out of my build. Not sure how I did that. Anyway, sitting at the entrance, another mage from the guild told me my build needed work, and I asked if he'd gimme a yell after the raid to talk about it. Now I think I have a decent raiding build...but I don't like it in PVP, and won't like it for lvling, so I hope they implement that dual-spec deal pretty soon.

Anyway, how did your BT go? We have a small window of time when all our main raiders can be on, so we cleared everything up to Bloodboil, and it was pretty smooth for the most part, so I'm hoping we can do Bloodboil, Mother and Council tonite, with Illidan left for the rest of the week. :) I think we were all surprised at how well we did, since the attempts before were clumsy-ish and a lot of us were sick/tired last nite.

Yeah, we got RoS (one shot baby!) and Gorefiend down, but everyone was kinda sickly, so we stopped there. We'd gotten them down before, so it wasn't really a problem.

Last night didn't go as smoothly, though, still a bunch of sick folks. We still had a much rougher time with Bloodboil and Mother than we expected, especially Mother, because we were much better geared for her. She just kept teleporting people right straight into the raid, bleh. Anyway, I won't be that tanking mage. I have less than 8k HP + I'm still a noob, though I have read strats over and over and think I'm about as prepared as I can be. We'll see. I -really- hope we raid tonite, though. I do think I need to tweak my build ONE more time (hahahaha) beforehand, though.

OP, how is your BT going?

P.S. (I dunno the HKM fight lol. People were laughing at me last night because I didn't get an invite to Gruul's Lair cuz I didn't know the fights, but I'm raiding BT. weee)

The fight isn't buggy, one person can go through every 1.5 seconds I believe.


Unless you are all wearing SR gear (250+, 300+ preferred) you are not 'geared for mother'. The fight is there as a psuedo-pacing mechaninism to make people farm the hearts out of BT/Hyjal (or buy them... they are dirt cheap on my server now [like 100g if you are lucky, I used to sell for 4-500g a piece])

Edited, Nov 7th 2008 11:15am by Anobix

I spent 3200g on hearts alone to upgrade my bracers from the haste badge ones to the crafted haste BT bracers. 100g is dirt cheap compared to the old days.

And this is partially why pre-nerf it was a lot easier to do this stuff because you would never get to Mother in your first week of raiding. We had hundreds of hearts by the time we got to her and can't give the damn things away right now.

Edited, Nov 8th 2008 8:10am by Anobix