OK....work with me here! Why would blizzard give others classes, which by the way, all have additional talents and abilities, our one true purpose in life of the great "Warrior"....TANK! I know, I can DPS, and how do I know that you ask? Because in groups, I'm finding myself coming in 2nd to either a pali, or a druid, which of course, irreguardless of there build, can multitask? Even with the "I'm a bulldozer" Prot spec, I've got to have all the uber-cool gear before consideration to tank for a group. Come on Blizz, wheres the LOVE!
Arielle - 70 Humane Warrior
Reign - 70 BE Warlock
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I think that blizz wants ppl to keep paying bills so wants not to keep people bored.
A pally/druid will never get bored cause they can change to Tank/resto/dps role while other classes have 1 or 2 options (in groups).So enchancing both Druids/Pallys more than rest of us ....is probably a Bussines/economical desicion.
Next character I m builnding will definitelly be 1 of pally or druid....and not Death knite.
A warrior can do DPS and Tank.So if got bored with one... change to the other
There are worst things than being a warr.If we were rogues/warlocks we would have 1 option in groups :DPS'.
You do not need the 'Uber-cool gear' to tank all instances. You can tank adequally SP and UB (heroics) at ease with blues/greens.Same applies for dps/healers.They cant do all in whatever gear. If they are all greens they are kicked :P .
You can begin with normal instances that gives you good blue stuff then upgrade ,upgrade... get exalted with Shattar Offensive get a bit epic there 2(shiled ,amulet) a descent sword (innuro blade),run mgt sometimes get epic boots (thats 3 epics so far from the island)...run some BG 's get some honor point and get epic pvp shoulders (4 epics),go to normal SV get the super cloak the last boss drops, then start heroics like SP ,UB ... get some badges , run Kara as an offtank , get some more badges/expect something to drop ( ??? epics) ,buy some more epic gear (5++ epics) with badges.
So far your gear will look semi-Uber!! You can main tank in Karra now and go to more difficult heroics :))
But why worry about Uber gear now? how many days are left to the expansion ??? My Uber gear will become obsolete in a few...
A pally/druid will never get bored cause they can change to Tank/resto/dps role while other classes have 1 or 2 options (in groups).So enchancing both Druids/Pallys more than rest of us ....is probably a Bussines/economical desicion.
Next character I m builnding will definitelly be 1 of pally or druid....and not Death knite.
A warrior can do DPS and Tank.So if got bored with one... change to the other
There are worst things than being a warr.If we were rogues/warlocks we would have 1 option in groups :DPS'.
You do not need the 'Uber-cool gear' to tank all instances. You can tank adequally SP and UB (heroics) at ease with blues/greens.Same applies for dps/healers.They cant do all in whatever gear. If they are all greens they are kicked :P .
You can begin with normal instances that gives you good blue stuff then upgrade ,upgrade... get exalted with Shattar Offensive get a bit epic there 2(shiled ,amulet) a descent sword (innuro blade),run mgt sometimes get epic boots (thats 3 epics so far from the island)...run some BG 's get some honor point and get epic pvp shoulders (4 epics),go to normal SV get the super cloak the last boss drops, then start heroics like SP ,UB ... get some badges , run Kara as an offtank , get some more badges/expect something to drop ( ??? epics) ,buy some more epic gear (5++ epics) with badges.
So far your gear will look semi-Uber!! You can main tank in Karra now and go to more difficult heroics :))
But why worry about Uber gear now? how many days are left to the expansion ??? My Uber gear will become obsolete in a few...
Airreign wrote:
OK....work with me here! Why would blizzard give others classes, which by the way, all have additional talents and abilities, our one true purpose in life of the great "Warrior"....TANK! I know, I can DPS, and how do I know that you ask? Because in groups, I'm finding myself coming in 2nd to either a pali, or a druid, which of course, irreguardless of there build, can multitask? Even with the "I'm a bulldozer" Prot spec, I've got to have all the uber-cool gear before consideration to tank for a group. Come on Blizz, wheres the LOVE!
Arielle - 70 Humane Warrior
Reign - 70 BE Warlock
Arielle - 70 Humane Warrior
Reign - 70 BE Warlock
Every tank class should be able to tank when specced and geared properly.
Try tanking with a 2h and a shield thanks to TG.
It works well especially if you have TM...
It works well especially if you have TM...
Thx for the replies guyz, I understand everything you've pointed out. But what I'm saying is this...........Given the choice, if a group had the option of choosing between a Warrior, and a Pali (lets say equally geared), 9 out of 10 times, guess who gets the invite for the run...understand? I wish bizz would look a little closer at this scenerio...!
I see your conserns.. you mean about preferences in 5 mans i suppose.
1.Tanks are rare species. So normally when semi completed groups need a tank they will get 1. No matter class he is.
2.Pally tanks are easier to be played ,handled and keep aggro well at the start of a fight. Warriors tend to be better after the aggro is established cause of rage mechanisms. Once dps know this simple truth the gap between 2 classes is vanished. If dps is overzelous and need to dps from start of a fight then the warrior cant do anything but let dps die.Simple.
3.Multitanking improvements(Wich is the reason for not wanting warrior tanks is groups): there are abilities that improve the warriors multi tanking ( to tank other than 'skull' targets) and that is : Damage shield talent and Spikes attached to shield. The spike can do a 26-28 damage per block and Damage shield 20% of SBV.So increase SBV and strength(contributes to SBV) a bit.You shield needs to be up at alltimes ofcourse wich means macro it after a primary attack like Devastate(and forget that it exists). Iknow that some will say 'get 18 stamina there' but I say get mining to 375 to get 300 health(yes , mining improves health!!).
After the above tip i think(its not think its a fact since i ve done it) that when y get attacked the non 'skull' targets should be hit with 100++ per their attack when y simply attack skull with devastates!! I know that it not enough threat to keep all 'non skull' targets until skull is down but TC is there to boost threat..(incite talent should be 3/3)
There are also awesome macros like maouseover to boost threat to non skull targets.
If non skull targets flee from y after this then dps is not hitting the correct skull...(their skull maybe?)
Its up to you know to show to stupid DPS classes how things are done...
1.Tanks are rare species. So normally when semi completed groups need a tank they will get 1. No matter class he is.
2.Pally tanks are easier to be played ,handled and keep aggro well at the start of a fight. Warriors tend to be better after the aggro is established cause of rage mechanisms. Once dps know this simple truth the gap between 2 classes is vanished. If dps is overzelous and need to dps from start of a fight then the warrior cant do anything but let dps die.Simple.
3.Multitanking improvements(Wich is the reason for not wanting warrior tanks is groups): there are abilities that improve the warriors multi tanking ( to tank other than 'skull' targets) and that is : Damage shield talent and Spikes attached to shield. The spike can do a 26-28 damage per block and Damage shield 20% of SBV.So increase SBV and strength(contributes to SBV) a bit.You shield needs to be up at alltimes ofcourse wich means macro it after a primary attack like Devastate(and forget that it exists). Iknow that some will say 'get 18 stamina there' but I say get mining to 375 to get 300 health(yes , mining improves health!!).
After the above tip i think(its not think its a fact since i ve done it) that when y get attacked the non 'skull' targets should be hit with 100++ per their attack when y simply attack skull with devastates!! I know that it not enough threat to keep all 'non skull' targets until skull is down but TC is there to boost threat..(incite talent should be 3/3)
There are also awesome macros like maouseover to boost threat to non skull targets.
If non skull targets flee from y after this then dps is not hitting the correct skull...(their skull maybe?)
Its up to you know to show to stupid DPS classes how things are done...
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only thing i want to comment on is that you are second to pali or druid ...both being hybrid...sucks to be pure dps these days
your're a dps warrior and comming 2nd to a druid? rly?
Running ZA/Kara with my DPS warrior I was putting out 1300 DPS (2handed Arms) and around 1150 as TG
Iv seen ret pala do that dmg but not boomkin or kitty, not equal or slightly better geared ones anyway.
The multi target agro can be helped Via glyphs, i run a glpyh of sunder and devestate. So my Devestave effects 2 targets and after evey revenge i get not only the chance of a free Shield slam but a guaranteed free HS, which I tab target b4 I use. I also think the CD on Shockwave has been reduced to 20 seconds, so that helps a lot
Edited, Nov 8th 2008 8:09pm by redbarronthesecond
Running ZA/Kara with my DPS warrior I was putting out 1300 DPS (2handed Arms) and around 1150 as TG
Iv seen ret pala do that dmg but not boomkin or kitty, not equal or slightly better geared ones anyway.
The multi target agro can be helped Via glyphs, i run a glpyh of sunder and devestate. So my Devestave effects 2 targets and after evey revenge i get not only the chance of a free Shield slam but a guaranteed free HS, which I tab target b4 I use. I also think the CD on Shockwave has been reduced to 20 seconds, so that helps a lot
Edited, Nov 8th 2008 8:09pm by redbarronthesecond
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