Swift FF - Highly annoyed at the new patch!Follow

I just need to vent here - I have been looking forward to getting my Swift FF for weeks/months. I finally had the time and a great group to get in there and get it done yesterday. Now today they are giving us the ability to just buy it!?!? I call BS. I earned this form and the sleek look - I think for anyone who buys the Swift FF, their bird should turn Pink for Horde and Yellow for AF. At the very least - if you buy it - you should not look the same as if you never got the Swift FF. It seems Blizzard is making the game to easy - mount at 30 - buying Swift FF. I am proud that I earned this form - I find it cheesy that one can just buy it now. Anyone else agree or disagree? Thanks for letting me vent.

You make my point exactly. Why be in the Outlands if you can just buy what you need and bypass it? Make whatever Flying Form or Mount in LK be based on what you have earned (not bought) in the Outlands. This will keep people in the Outlands doing what needs to be done in order to advance in the LK. I have 10k in G so this not about money. It just seems to me that Blizzard is making things a little too easy to level and get perks. There can be a middle ground between easy and immpossible - a tough challange can be fun.

And I agree the quest was great and we had a blast doing it.

Is the cost of the spell itself going to be 5k gold or do you buy the flight skill first, then an additional 1k for the spell? or is it going to be standard spell cost for a 71 skill of 12~ish gold? Or do you think it's something nobody will know until next tuesday? lol

I just hit 70 a few days ago on my 4th alt (horde druid) and just through doing extra quests in Outland I'm already up to 2300 gold and I'm positive I'll be over 4k gold + (cost of the flight skill) when the xpac hits. Should I buy the skill or just hold onto the cash until I hit 71 and go from there?

From my understanding, the questline is still there and will still reward the Swift Flight Form. (One level earlier then just buying it, if you go that route)
While I can understand making it available to the masses, this decision does make me feel like the form loses some of it's epic-ness. I do strongly suggest new druids do the questline as it is extremely well done and it plays to every aspect of the druid class.




You will need Flight Form, and (300) Riding (5k) to be able to purchase Swift Flight Form at level 71 for the normal 71 level spell cost.

Also have to keep in mind it's not just a matter of finding enough people to run H Sethek with, but also enough people that have enough rep to get the key.

Must have changed it, because it was a flat 5k, and because the guy selling it isn't part of any actual faction, you'd get no rep discount.

With the reduced experience needed 61-70, it's actually really easy to totally skip Terrokar and LC rep. I know, my pally just jumped from Zanga to Nagrand. I think bypassing the quest for iconic class abilities is a good thing, especially when the quest requires you to go to content most of the community no longer goes to.

And yes, I did the mount quest on my warlock and the Swift FF quest on my druid.

Edited, Nov 5th 2008 3:10am by AstarintheDruid

Good, I am glad you had the opportunity to do something you enjoyed in the game. That is of course Billard's challange, people enjoy different things, and have different priorities. They may not be always teh same as yours, but hopefully you reccognize they are just as valid.




I disagree with a statement like that. Obviously in some cases it can be true (some people do want everything handed to them), but in others it simply is not. Different people have different priorities and prefer to put their time and "work" into other areas. People may work equaly hard (if level of effort is important to you) but at dfifferent things. Just because someone would rather put their available time and effort into say, raiding (for the challange and teamwork), then running old instances for a convenience item like a mount, then that is hardly lazy. It may be different then your view, but again, hardly lazy.



It is true that they are different people, and from that perspective it does make sense. Unfortunate sense...and my point (poorly made initialy) was it highlights the tendency for people to focus on their own self interest and what they think is important, and anyone who thinks differently is automaticaly wrong or...lazy. We are talking about a mount quest here, hardly game changing, and of no fundamental impact to performance (that I can think of). If it is easier to obtain, so what, it is after all a convenience item. That is why it "makes no sense" to me. If we were talking about something that gave a fundamental leveling, or group performance advantage over someone else, it would be a different story.

Again this change will simply allow people more options to focus on what they think is important. They can still do the quest..or not. Who cares? It is not like finishing this particular quest somehow makes someone a "better" player then someone else.

I did the questline for the epic FF but I do agree with Blizzard's decision. The only way I could get a group to run H. Sethekk was when the stars and planets aligned (essentially when it was the Heroic Daily and pleas in LFG/trade that I could summon Anzu for a possible Raven Lord drop).

However, I do believe that any player that completes the original questline should be given something of recognition or functional value - I would recommend that Blizzard creates an Achievement or give the player the pre-3.0 nerf trinket.

Honestly, I am more upset that they nerfed the epic FF reward trinket...

On a side note, the achievement idea would also be nice for warlocks and paladins that completed their respective mount questlines.

For the paladin and warlock mounts I don't see the logic for making them purchasable, you can buy exactly the same thing (albeit a different look). In my opinion if you want something tht looks different, you should do something different in order to get it.

The druid flight form is slightly different as it is instant cast, but still, if people managed to buy a group for the warlock/paladin mount in BC then why couldn't people do that for the swift flight form? And with level 80s you probably won't need a full 5, so it should be easier to find people with the necessary rep.

I guess I don't see the point in making something purchasable from a trainer when their are alternatives available for anyone who doesn't have the ability/inclination to follow a quest line for an aesthetic difference to an ability.

Maybe we should go back to some of the level 60 abilities being learned from books that are rare drops in vanilla WoW instances. Or take the tomes off trainers for the group versions of GotW/AB/PoF. Why should everyone else be able to simply train their spells at the class trainer when I had to pay 20x the cost of training to get the book off the AH or hope for a drop?

There are apparently enough people that think the level 60 quest for Warlocks and Pallies is more aggravating than rewarding, so Blizz is giving them the option to bypass the quest. For the people that enjoy the quest, it's still there. I think Blizz could put in an additional reward for completing the quest, like the Blood Knight tabard.

Since Blizz can track what quests your character has and has not completed, anyone that's already finished the quest could have the new tabard mailed to them.

Tauren's complained that they didn't want to look like the Night Elves (I'm sure it came from both sides, or had something to do with the long ears*), and since the earth tones are used for the Tauren's forms. Blizzard turned ya brown. ...but really the flight form has the feel of a place holder when put next the stunning beauty of the Swift Flight Form regardless of faction.


::musings, wandering thoughts, you have been warned!::
*Of that I cannot be certain as the long ears are the trademark of Night Elf forms (As horns are to Taurens), and so I saw mostly Taurens unhappy to appear like Night Elves. ..but instead a whole model change, it was just a recolor; since to a degree it really is just a place holder for FAR better. BUT every "storm crow" in the wild has those same pointy ears which could end up being a aspect of the species as a whole or that of programmers re-using models in the world. As such is isn't till WotLK that we see beasts as the "Fjord Hawk"; that we see the Taurens version reused in the world.

Edited, Nov 10th 2008 4:51pm by GryphonStalker

I like that idea of moving Anzu. Wont happen but is a good idea. They should do something similar for pallies and locks as well.

I still haven't got the money to get my epic flight. I will buy epic flight and train flight form.

I will also do the quest. From what everyone says it is a lot of fun. Having to do Anzu after the expansion might be to hard to group for but I will do as much of the quest as I can. The Anzu mount drop potential will sell people I hope.