Okay, so I ding 70 and put on some new gear, and I proceed to go "woah" as my DPS goes from 260-something to 318-something. I grin and then gleefully rub my hands together, and proceed to utterly murder the next mob, only I make an observation:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moon+Guard&n=Arsavis
It seems Armory is finally working again, btw.
Omen keeps flashing my screen every 2-3 seconds and I'm constantly having to back up to keep shooting at it. I could spam Feign Death, sure, but jeez...
Is this common to any hunter using purple equipment? It seems that Cunning pets just can't hold enough aggro, but yet... I dunno. I'm not sure about switching, for two concerns:
1). Ferocity pets have less defensive capabilities; won't they take too much damage? They could put out more damage (and of course more threat), but I like how well my ravager can survive. It isn't a tank, but he has done wonderful things in the past.
2). Tenacity pets are just the opposite; won't I lose a huge chunk of DPS if I take a tank pet, instead? That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
I messed up while speccing (which is why I am 52 in BM instead of 51), but surely 1 talent difference doesn't change That much? And besides, the said talent mishap would only increase *my* damage if it were fixed... I think I'm doing too much damage anyways.
Please keep in mind that this character was not made for raiding, but more for farming. I saw the "Gorilladin" thread earlier, and was giving that some thought, but that would likely take a little respeccing (at least for imp. volley?).
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Exactly which pet are you using? If you're not using an exotic for the looks, then drop the 51-point talent. You don't need it unless you are absolutely dead-set on running around with an exotic. But you're right, between 52/9 and 51/10, there isn't much difference. Dropping down to 50/11 or 49/12 will make an enormous difference, though.
As for pets holding threat, I just can't pull threat off of my cat unless I really try. Heh, actually, during the Headless Horseman event, my group had a Fury Warrior trying to tank, and even with Growl off, Cower on, and me chaining Misdirects to the "tank" my cat was pulling aggro, so my group just decided to make my cat the tank. Even Ferocity pets are tough enough to take on non-heroic dungeon bosses. They can certainly take on anything out in the world that you are willing to handle.
If you're worried about having a pet that can take as much as a beating as it can dish out, try a Scorpid. I haven't tested it out myself, but I have read from numerous sources that their damage output is about even with most Ferocity pets because of their poison.
And if you want to give a Gorilla a try, don't be surprised when its single-target threat generation is a bit lackluster. Gorillas really only shine with 2 or more mobs, since Thunderstomp won't cast unless 2 or more mobs are in range. I did use my Gorilla for 2-manning Durn the Hungerer a few nights ago. It was a rogue and I. I was hitting Misdirection, but it was still difficult to keep threat on her while going all-out to take the Gronn out before Durn's damage outdid my mend pet/T5 bonus.
As for pets holding threat, I just can't pull threat off of my cat unless I really try. Heh, actually, during the Headless Horseman event, my group had a Fury Warrior trying to tank, and even with Growl off, Cower on, and me chaining Misdirects to the "tank" my cat was pulling aggro, so my group just decided to make my cat the tank. Even Ferocity pets are tough enough to take on non-heroic dungeon bosses. They can certainly take on anything out in the world that you are willing to handle.
If you're worried about having a pet that can take as much as a beating as it can dish out, try a Scorpid. I haven't tested it out myself, but I have read from numerous sources that their damage output is about even with most Ferocity pets because of their poison.
And if you want to give a Gorilla a try, don't be surprised when its single-target threat generation is a bit lackluster. Gorillas really only shine with 2 or more mobs, since Thunderstomp won't cast unless 2 or more mobs are in range. I did use my Gorilla for 2-manning Durn the Hungerer a few nights ago. It was a rogue and I. I was hitting Misdirection, but it was still difficult to keep threat on her while going all-out to take the Gronn out before Durn's damage outdid my mend pet/T5 bonus.
It's not rocket science.
Get a ferocity pet, if u have exotic taming then use those 4 points, u get a skill that lets them heal themselves when they attack, plus spirit bond... ur pet will be fine. that 1 point however could the difference between a 750 damage white crit and a 900 damage white crit.
(plus all the damage of ferocity helps keep aggro) and misdirect onto ur pet
Get a ferocity pet, if u have exotic taming then use those 4 points, u get a skill that lets them heal themselves when they attack, plus spirit bond... ur pet will be fine. that 1 point however could the difference between a 750 damage white crit and a 900 damage white crit.
(plus all the damage of ferocity helps keep aggro) and misdirect onto ur pet
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I don't know that it's your main problem, but I see VERY little +hit on your gear. My understanding is that now the pets hit is equal to the hunters hit so he could just be missing a lot. It also should go without saying that your dps (actual dps as opposed to tooltip dps) will skyrocket when you start stacking hit, don't let it scare you if your tooltip dps goes lower.. go shoot something and use recount to get your actual dps and you will be very surprised. Your +hit is actually the most important stat (read that it adds the most dps) until capped. I'm guessing you do have growl turned on (yeah, I come out of a raid.. go to jump something and all of a sudden it's in my face.. oopsie.. turn growl back on). You might also try md'ing onto your pet.
All in all.. a hunter having to run away from the mob while soloing is not really the desired result (there are situations where kiting is useful, but it's the exception rather than the rule). At first glance it just sounds to me like you're hitting to hard from the start and not letting your pet build any aggro. I've never used a cunning pet so can't really give first hand experience. Since the patch I've run with only tenacity and I must say I love my scorpid... so much in fact that I've neglected my lovely cat. Nothin says luvin like a full stack of poison ;). Gorillas are quite fun as well for farming (round 'em up and burn 'em down all at once).
All in all.. a hunter having to run away from the mob while soloing is not really the desired result (there are situations where kiting is useful, but it's the exception rather than the rule). At first glance it just sounds to me like you're hitting to hard from the start and not letting your pet build any aggro. I've never used a cunning pet so can't really give first hand experience. Since the patch I've run with only tenacity and I must say I love my scorpid... so much in fact that I've neglected my lovely cat. Nothin says luvin like a full stack of poison ;). Gorillas are quite fun as well for farming (round 'em up and burn 'em down all at once).
Some clarification:
Pet: Using a Ravager, and I did have Exotics in mind, but haven't had the time to go out and grab one yet. Trying to decide between maybe a Devilsaur and a Core Hound... not sure which.
+Hit: I thought +Hit was mainly for Elites/Raids/Instances/etc? I didn't really have much plan on running these, I thought that normal non-elite mobs had a pretty low chance of missing, anyways. Generally in one fight, I only see 1-2 misses max, if that. Also, I've not been seeing too much +hit on gear yet, but I will keep my eyes open for an alternate dungeon set or something. Not that it matters with WotLK right around the corner, but I'll keep my eyes open anyways.
Misdirection: D'oh. I knew I was forgetting something, I'll have to add this to my hotkeys and start using it.
Starting off slower: I could try this too. My usual method, is to have the pet in Defensive, target the mob, and hit the Serpent's Sting key. Pet runs after mob, growls it, uses wolverine bite (if its up) and things go from there. Mob will usually die long before Sting wears off, especially if it is a green mob. I just wish the pet held aggro a bit better.
Growl: Yes, growl is turned on; I always make sure of that.
Pet: Using a Ravager, and I did have Exotics in mind, but haven't had the time to go out and grab one yet. Trying to decide between maybe a Devilsaur and a Core Hound... not sure which.
+Hit: I thought +Hit was mainly for Elites/Raids/Instances/etc? I didn't really have much plan on running these, I thought that normal non-elite mobs had a pretty low chance of missing, anyways. Generally in one fight, I only see 1-2 misses max, if that. Also, I've not been seeing too much +hit on gear yet, but I will keep my eyes open for an alternate dungeon set or something. Not that it matters with WotLK right around the corner, but I'll keep my eyes open anyways.
Misdirection: D'oh. I knew I was forgetting something, I'll have to add this to my hotkeys and start using it.
Starting off slower: I could try this too. My usual method, is to have the pet in Defensive, target the mob, and hit the Serpent's Sting key. Pet runs after mob, growls it, uses wolverine bite (if its up) and things go from there. Mob will usually die long before Sting wears off, especially if it is a green mob. I just wish the pet held aggro a bit better.
Growl: Yes, growl is turned on; I always make sure of that.
Well, I've never had my pet pull aggro off the main tank in a raid but he has pulled it off me a time or two.
Check 'cower' each time you start up. A bug has this on unless you shut it off at start up. What I noticed in the read of the skill though is that it sounds like it lowers threat to the hunter as well... I don't know if that's a mistype or what on Blizz's part.
Next, growl has to be on. Always go in light on dps to start until your pet has about 2 growls in, then lay it on. If you get a threat alarm, back off a bit and the pet will happily build the threat back up again. Against 'trash' mobs, they shouldn't be living long enough to even worry about this. Keep your targets at a reasonable distance.
Last, your build should optimize your pets damage and your own. I will be testing some other builds but stick with what others have suggested, stay away from 51 point BM unless you absolutely want the exotic pet. I'm not sold on the 49 point BM yet either but I'm going to test that build next.
Check 'cower' each time you start up. A bug has this on unless you shut it off at start up. What I noticed in the read of the skill though is that it sounds like it lowers threat to the hunter as well... I don't know if that's a mistype or what on Blizz's part.
Next, growl has to be on. Always go in light on dps to start until your pet has about 2 growls in, then lay it on. If you get a threat alarm, back off a bit and the pet will happily build the threat back up again. Against 'trash' mobs, they shouldn't be living long enough to even worry about this. Keep your targets at a reasonable distance.
Last, your build should optimize your pets damage and your own. I will be testing some other builds but stick with what others have suggested, stay away from 51 point BM unless you absolutely want the exotic pet. I'm not sold on the 49 point BM yet either but I'm going to test that build next.
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My usual method, is to have the pet in Defensive, target the mob, and hit the Serpent's Sting key. Pet runs after mob, growls it, uses wolverine bite (if its up) and things go from there.
That is probably your main problem , i know they buffed pets a huge amount but i remember well the send pet wait a few seconds and still managing to pull the mob away from my pet , i still find some of the pets i have tried since the patch seem to have less ability to keep the mobs attention , but so far the only pet/pets i have found that loves your method of play ( mine as well if i am not working with pet on aggressive ) is my trusted warpstalker or my cat , i suggest trying a few different pets out as you may find one that suits your playstyle a little better.
As you say you have only recently dinged 70 your gear is not that bad , in fact it is better than mine in almost every aspect , not by much though , but then again i have no wish to get my 70 any better gear as i have done no instances apart from solo runs through low level instances to get gear for my alts and do intend to delete her once i get an alt to 70.
i havent had a problem with pets and threat so far lvling up. atm i'm only 35 i've used the gorllia and a cat. The only time ive really had problems is if the mobs are like 4 lvls higher than me. I was killing the lvl 41 gorilla's by booty bay at lvl 34 also was takeing out some of the lvl 43 cats there. those are the only ones i've pulled off of pet really. i went back up north and was killing some same lvl mobs and it didnt matter we flew through them don't think they had a chance to get off pet lol. cant wait to get this guy up higher lvls to see what it does.
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