Hey guys! It's me again. So, I've been playing my rogue a bunch, and I've managed to get up to level 42 as of last night, which is bringing me ever closer and closer to the tantalizing option of mutilate.
Some of you may remember, (or you may not, who knows) that when I first started, I was really interested in playing daggers, which lead to most of you telling me to go combat swords till 50 and then re-speccing at 50 to mutilate.
So, this brings me to two questions. Right now I've got a sword in my MH and a dagger in my OH. Obviously I'm going to need 2 daggers at 50. My first question is, are there any easy to get daggers that will be good at 50, or should I simply farm some WSG marks for the next 8 levels and get two sentinels blades when I get there? It seems, from the lists on here, that at 50, most of the daggers are regular world drops, which means I'd have to either get super lucky, or buy them off the AH. Are there some I'm missing?
My second question deals with spec. Could someone link me to a mutilate build, AT 50?
This is what I've got, so far.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhxcoxgoVrsMz
Could someone please point out the specific areas in that build where I'm being a total noob, and tell me why? Thanks so much!
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I would take out the points in eviscerate and also the ones out of deadened nerves.
I would do this
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0efoeMoibofz
As you level, put one last point into focused, then put the remaining into Duel wield in combat and opportunity and relentless strikes till about 3 points in relentless. Then Finish the assassin tree.
Here is my spec that i use and enjoy.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=00532310530210252010333105100500000000000000000000000003020000000000000000000000000
Also though, change anythingyou like to fit your play style.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 10:17am by EziNewDream
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 10:22am by EziNewDream
I would do this
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0efoeMoibofz
As you level, put one last point into focused, then put the remaining into Duel wield in combat and opportunity and relentless strikes till about 3 points in relentless. Then Finish the assassin tree.
Here is my spec that i use and enjoy.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=00532310530210252010333105100500000000000000000000000003020000000000000000000000000
Also though, change anythingyou like to fit your play style.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 10:17am by EziNewDream
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 10:22am by EziNewDream
I'm going to assume you want a build mainly for soloing? In that case I'd probably go with something like this. I could be wrong (not done the math on it, just thinking out loud), but I don't think Imp Poisons outweighs anything else you can pick in the Assassination tree if you're not raiding (aside from talents like Remorseless). Also, you'll want Focused Attacks (trust me, you do notice that energy gain), and you don't need Deadly Brew for PvE.
For overall play (instances, leveling and PvP) your own spec was pretty solid, even though I'd definitely pick Focused Attacks and would probably swap Imp Poisons around.
Also, put your next 5 points in Dual Wield Spec and the 5 after that in Relentless.
For overall play (instances, leveling and PvP) your own spec was pretty solid, even though I'd definitely pick Focused Attacks and would probably swap Imp Poisons around.
Also, put your next 5 points in Dual Wield Spec and the 5 after that in Relentless.
Scholar
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Awesome. Thanks for the tips.
Just to give you guys an idea of why I picked what I picked specifically, my rotation is currently, CS > SS*3 > Evis. This generally takes a mob down to where I don't get a chance to regain enough energy to SS again before they die. Hence the Imp Evis.
When I re-spec, I assume my rotation is going to be something like CS > Mut > Evis > Mut till dead, which if I'm correct in assuming I'll be doing a bunch more damage, should kill even quicker than my current build.
Anyway, thanks again for the tips!
Just to give you guys an idea of why I picked what I picked specifically, my rotation is currently, CS > SS*3 > Evis. This generally takes a mob down to where I don't get a chance to regain enough energy to SS again before they die. Hence the Imp Evis.
When I re-spec, I assume my rotation is going to be something like CS > Mut > Evis > Mut till dead, which if I'm correct in assuming I'll be doing a bunch more damage, should kill even quicker than my current build.
Anyway, thanks again for the tips!
Prior to the 3.0 patch, 55 was the level that Mutilate actually came viable. Yes, you can reach it at 50, but the 5 points in Oppurtunity were really needed. Now we have a two point oppurtunity, so you could say that 52 would be the new number, but DW spec has always been better than Oppurtunity, so 55 could still hold. Honestly...I think 60 would be a better target respec level so you can get both DW and Relentless.
Personally, if I were leveling up, this would be my build at 55, for solo play exclusive.
Reason: Eviscerate is a worse finisher than Envenom now, so no Imp Evis. You could take the points out of QR and FF if you really want imp evis, but I think the 80% less energy on missed finsihers > than extra damage on a finisher you won't be using much. You should be opening with cheap shot and kidney shotting your target to keep it stunned, so Imp KS. Garrote and Rupture shouldn't be in your soloing rotation, so no blood spatter.
Edit: Also, in response to your other questions in the OP, You won't find many daggers that are meant for us at that level. AH greens are going to be your best bet outside of the PvP ones. When you hit outlands there are a couple good daggers from the intial quests in HP that will get you going, and they are in good supply throughout Outlands questing.
Also, at your level, why are you using sword/dagger as combat? At level 30 you can reach sword spec, and you should be using two swords in order to get the proc.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 11:11am by AtrophyGFour
Personally, if I were leveling up, this would be my build at 55, for solo play exclusive.
Reason: Eviscerate is a worse finisher than Envenom now, so no Imp Evis. You could take the points out of QR and FF if you really want imp evis, but I think the 80% less energy on missed finsihers > than extra damage on a finisher you won't be using much. You should be opening with cheap shot and kidney shotting your target to keep it stunned, so Imp KS. Garrote and Rupture shouldn't be in your soloing rotation, so no blood spatter.
Edit: Also, in response to your other questions in the OP, You won't find many daggers that are meant for us at that level. AH greens are going to be your best bet outside of the PvP ones. When you hit outlands there are a couple good daggers from the intial quests in HP that will get you going, and they are in good supply throughout Outlands questing.
Also, at your level, why are you using sword/dagger as combat? At level 30 you can reach sword spec, and you should be using two swords in order to get the proc.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 11:11am by AtrophyGFour
AtrophyGFour wrote:
Prior to the 3.0 patch, 55 was the level that Mutilate actually came viable. Yes, you can reach it at 50, but the 5 points in Oppurtunity were really needed. Now we have a two point oppurtunity, so you could say that 52 would be the new number, but DW spec has always been better than Oppurtunity, so 55 could still hold. Honestly...I think 60 would be a better target respec level so you can get both DW and Relentless.
Personally, if I were leveling up, this would be my build at 55, for solo play exclusive.
Reason: Eviscerate is a worse finisher than Envenom now, so no Imp Evis. You could take the points out of QR and FF if you really want imp evis, but I think the 80% less energy on missed finsihers > than extra damage on a finisher you won't be using much. You should be opening with cheap shot and kidney shotting your target to keep it stunned, so Imp KS. Garrote and Rupture shouldn't be in your soloing rotation, so no blood spatter.
Edit: Also, in response to your other questions in the OP, You won't find many daggers that are meant for us at that level. AH greens are going to be your best bet outside of the PvP ones. When you hit outlands there are a couple good daggers from the intial quests in HP that will get you going, and they are in good supply throughout Outlands questing.
Also, at your level, why are you using sword/dagger as combat? At level 30 you can reach sword spec, and you should be using two swords in order to get the proc.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 11:11am by AtrophyGFour
Personally, if I were leveling up, this would be my build at 55, for solo play exclusive.
Reason: Eviscerate is a worse finisher than Envenom now, so no Imp Evis. You could take the points out of QR and FF if you really want imp evis, but I think the 80% less energy on missed finsihers > than extra damage on a finisher you won't be using much. You should be opening with cheap shot and kidney shotting your target to keep it stunned, so Imp KS. Garrote and Rupture shouldn't be in your soloing rotation, so no blood spatter.
Edit: Also, in response to your other questions in the OP, You won't find many daggers that are meant for us at that level. AH greens are going to be your best bet outside of the PvP ones. When you hit outlands there are a couple good daggers from the intial quests in HP that will get you going, and they are in good supply throughout Outlands questing.
Also, at your level, why are you using sword/dagger as combat? At level 30 you can reach sword spec, and you should be using two swords in order to get the proc.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 11:11am by AtrophyGFour
The main reason that Opportunity was said to be needed pre-3.0 was mainly because mutilate was positional. You needed the extra "oomf" that Opportunity provided so that you could burst a mob down in the span of a CS -> KS.
Edit: were I leveling a rogue post-3.0, I'd go mutilate at my first opportunity (i.e. 50).
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 11:09am by Theophany
I wouldn't take Deadened Nerves or Fleet Footed. Imp Kidney Shot could be debatable perhaps for pure soloing, but I'd rather take Blood Splatter for occasional instance runs. This at 50 would be my suggestion.
Scholar
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Alright! I love this board... so much more constructive info than on the WoW forums. haha.
So, a couple of things. Yes, I'll be mainly soloing. In fact, I'll be only soloing. I haven't joined a group for more than the downing of 1 or 2 mobs except to get run through RFD once. My schedule simply doesn't allow me to effectively group up.... too much time commitment.
Also, based off your guys feedback, it sounds like most people use KS instead of Evis. The only reason, at this point, that I've been using Evis is because I've found that it reduces my overall downtime. The time I spend re-healing the health I lost while the mob isn't KS'd is made up in the fact that it takes that much less time to actually kill the mob. Not to mention critting an evis for over 1k makes me real happy. Haha.
For the question about why sword/dagger, I didn't spec into sword spec initially because at the time, I felt like the other talents available were going to get me more bang for my buck. I could be wrong about that, and I'm certainly not averse to switching to sword/sword, since my OH needs an upgrade anyway. Does the extra 5% proc really make that much of a difference?
Finally, I notice that pretty much everyone takes ruthlessness. Like I've said so far, by the time I actually have 5 CP's to blow on a finishing move, and I use it, the mob is pretty much dead, so I've felt, up to this point, like getting talents that proc based off finishing moves to be not worth it so much. Is this likely to change? I.E., am I likely to start getting 5 CP's and hitting Evis, and having the mob still at half health or so?
Again, thanks a bunch for all of your input!
Edit to add: Oh, I forgot to say, I didn't take blood spatter based off the fact that I haven't used garrote since I got CS, and I haven't used rupture.... well, ever really, besides the occasional random use for fun.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 5:08pm by sevrdhed
So, a couple of things. Yes, I'll be mainly soloing. In fact, I'll be only soloing. I haven't joined a group for more than the downing of 1 or 2 mobs except to get run through RFD once. My schedule simply doesn't allow me to effectively group up.... too much time commitment.
Also, based off your guys feedback, it sounds like most people use KS instead of Evis. The only reason, at this point, that I've been using Evis is because I've found that it reduces my overall downtime. The time I spend re-healing the health I lost while the mob isn't KS'd is made up in the fact that it takes that much less time to actually kill the mob. Not to mention critting an evis for over 1k makes me real happy. Haha.
For the question about why sword/dagger, I didn't spec into sword spec initially because at the time, I felt like the other talents available were going to get me more bang for my buck. I could be wrong about that, and I'm certainly not averse to switching to sword/sword, since my OH needs an upgrade anyway. Does the extra 5% proc really make that much of a difference?
Finally, I notice that pretty much everyone takes ruthlessness. Like I've said so far, by the time I actually have 5 CP's to blow on a finishing move, and I use it, the mob is pretty much dead, so I've felt, up to this point, like getting talents that proc based off finishing moves to be not worth it so much. Is this likely to change? I.E., am I likely to start getting 5 CP's and hitting Evis, and having the mob still at half health or so?
Again, thanks a bunch for all of your input!
Edit to add: Oh, I forgot to say, I didn't take blood spatter based off the fact that I haven't used garrote since I got CS, and I haven't used rupture.... well, ever really, besides the occasional random use for fun.
Edited, Nov 3rd 2008 5:08pm by sevrdhed
Rodney Dangerfield wrote:
I get no re-spec
I've done speed tests with CS/Evis vs. CS/KS rotations at 3 different levels (around 20, 40 and 60) while spec'd combat. All three series proved that overall downtime was decreased with stun-locking. It might "seem" that you're doing better when you see a lot of pretty numbers on your screen, but you're probably not. Do some comparison tests and determine for yourself which is better for your situation. Unless it's not a big deal. I was once a casual soloer and optimization wasn't really my focus. Only progression raiders and arena players really need to min/max.
With that said....
Sword spec. procs are fantastic for efficiency and Ambush/Backstab scale terribly as you level. Combat daggers can be fun, but it's not even a close runner-up to the efficiency of Combat Swords. There are some comparative analysis available for the two builds, but I don't recall off the top of my head where those links are. Start with Elitist Jerks or just do a google search.
Blood Splatter (and Rupture/Garrote) are group talents/skills. You won't really be using them while soloing. If you know with some certainty that you will not be pugging any 5-toon instances, don't take it. Same could be said for Relentless: Great boss-killing talent, but perhaps loses some of it's power in pure soloing.
Also, Mutilate builds tend to rely on Envenom for their damage finishers rather than Evis.
Good luck out there!
With that said....
Sword spec. procs are fantastic for efficiency and Ambush/Backstab scale terribly as you level. Combat daggers can be fun, but it's not even a close runner-up to the efficiency of Combat Swords. There are some comparative analysis available for the two builds, but I don't recall off the top of my head where those links are. Start with Elitist Jerks or just do a google search.
Blood Splatter (and Rupture/Garrote) are group talents/skills. You won't really be using them while soloing. If you know with some certainty that you will not be pugging any 5-toon instances, don't take it. Same could be said for Relentless: Great boss-killing talent, but perhaps loses some of it's power in pure soloing.
Also, Mutilate builds tend to rely on Envenom for their damage finishers rather than Evis.
Good luck out there!
Scholar
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Thanks for the info on CS/Evis vs CS/KS. I'll give stun-locking another try now that it's taking a little bit more time for me to actually finish mobs off.
As for sword spec, I've been needing to upgrade my OH anyway, so I'll probably try to grab a decent OH sword off the AH for cheap. If not, well, I'm only 8 from 50 anyway, so I'm not too terribly concerned about it.
It definitely makes sense that rupture/garrote are things you would see more in groups than elsewhere. Thanks for confirming my suspicions that I'm not being an idiot by not using them.
As for Envenom, when specifically do you get that particular ability? I want to say at 62 based off of the spells page for rogues on here, but I found out that you don't actually get Hemo at 30 unless you're specced for it, despite what the spells page here seems to suggest, so I'm a little wary about trusting it implicitly.
As for sword spec, I've been needing to upgrade my OH anyway, so I'll probably try to grab a decent OH sword off the AH for cheap. If not, well, I'm only 8 from 50 anyway, so I'm not too terribly concerned about it.
It definitely makes sense that rupture/garrote are things you would see more in groups than elsewhere. Thanks for confirming my suspicions that I'm not being an idiot by not using them.
As for Envenom, when specifically do you get that particular ability? I want to say at 62 based off of the spells page for rogues on here, but I found out that you don't actually get Hemo at 30 unless you're specced for it, despite what the spells page here seems to suggest, so I'm a little wary about trusting it implicitly.
No, you're right. Envenom is trainer-learned at 62. Sorry about that.
I wouldn't bother spending anything more than 1g on the AH right now for any leveling weapon. Search weapons by level and look specifically for quest rewards when possible. IIRC, isn't Thrash Blade around that level? Absolutely awesome weapon for Combat Swords at the level with some Fiery on it. That is, IF you can get a group for Mara. Which is tricky now-a-days.
Instead you can hold to a Muti build which I would consider a strong leveling build if not quiet as efficient as combat swords can be. Muti really shines a bit later than 50, but, heck, respecs are cheap after all.
I wouldn't bother spending anything more than 1g on the AH right now for any leveling weapon. Search weapons by level and look specifically for quest rewards when possible. IIRC, isn't Thrash Blade around that level? Absolutely awesome weapon for Combat Swords at the level with some Fiery on it. That is, IF you can get a group for Mara. Which is tricky now-a-days.
Instead you can hold to a Muti build which I would consider a strong leveling build if not quiet as efficient as combat swords can be. Muti really shines a bit later than 50, but, heck, respecs are cheap after all.
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