WF on mainhand, and Flame Tongue on Off-Hand Follow

This tends to not be worth sacrificing the second WF proc chance from your off-hand weapon.

You can visit elitistjerks for exhaustive calculations on the matter if you're really interested in why this is the case. But the general observation tends to be you'll do more damage doing 2xWF and just using Lava Lash without the 25% bonus from FT on your off-hand

they just said wf/wf was way to go, if you only have a fast off hand then you have no choice but you should get a nice slow off hand and use wf on both weapons. Besides with the way Maelstrom weapon works wf/wf is preferred you would get more procs.

Oh and you don't get lava burst until 75 anyways.

Faith in the devs? Ah-hahahahahahahahaha...



Could you link this, please? Last I heard the concensus at EJ was that slow WF/WF is still max DPS for an Enhancement Shaman. WF/FT only yields more auto-attack damage if you have a fast off-hand.


No, there have been a lot of people posting unfounded opinionated statements. Any math (or good math, anyways...) I've ever seen presented has shown WF/WF to still yield max DPS for a Shaman.


So you're not only suggesting that WF/FT will out-DPS WF/WF, but you're suggesting it will do so even when applied to a slow off-hand? Now this I really need to see the math on. Please start linking these posts.

FYI elemental fury does not apply to FT. Is is not a spell. Y dont u try it out instead of just assuming that it will Plus you have no facts you based your arguement on. If FT procced elemental fury then it would also proc elemental dev and it "doesnt".UR wronge and therefore delete your post MATT. You should know how to play you shaman first nub.

Lava Lash is not useless, it is actually very nice, but WF/FT is just plain stupid.

This is a bit of an older topic and at this point wf or ft on off hand i am not sure.

Here are some facts I do know to be true, ft scales well with faster weapons as it will provide more dps, while its damage is lower it is better dps.

Lava Lash scales better with slower weapons for higher damage, and so does Storm strike.

WF will help apply Maelstrom weapon buffs faster, ft does not, but ft will help Maelstrom weapon do more damage from spell damage buff (also static shock).

now based on a lot of things we can not say what devs wish for us to use for our off hand. While devs have made enhancement a bit more caster'ish wf still buffs there new talents as well. Many will say well lava lash gets improved by ft yes this is true but they may have done this because ft scales better with faster weapons so will be weaker with ft used, slower weapons scale better with wf, and will not need the bonus as much as ft would.

Ft on off hand will mean no leaching the wf with off hand but will also lower our chance to proc wf.

Now as far as FT being affected by elemental talents i am not sure of at this point, but elemental does seem worth specing into as enhancement either way(although none of them state that they affect FT damage). I do know FT will not proc elementasl devastation or focus though.

At this point I am not sure what Blizzard wants enhancement to imbue on their off hands to yield more damage, but what I can say is it is definitely more viable then it was in the past. It may be that they wanted to offer a variety of game play.

To be honest I wouldn't put too much faith in blizzard really knowing what they want to do with shaman, seems they are having a hard time adjusting shaman to play the way they want still.

These changes still make FT look like they may want it to be viable, again wf really does not lose anything in the changes and would still look to be just as good, so at this point time and lots of math is the only way to tell.

Maybe someday in the future they will make Stormstrike and Lava lash so that they do damage based on the DPS of the weapon, just like the highest talent in the protection paladin tree (or in some sense the future dps of feral druids). Now this would be interesting because you could indeed use a fast offhand with FT without the damage loss from SS and LL. Maelstrom charges will slower with no WF on offhand, but ...

Oh well.

Last I checked, all the math was still pointing to slow WF/slow WF being superior for DPS. As I said, FT just makes a fast off-hand worse to a much lesser degree. If you're at all interested in researching it yourself you can head over to Elitist Jerks and trawl the forums there.