My take on arcane PVPFollow

I can see the OPness of arcane right now. Did 487k damage, 32 KBs, 87HKs, and 2 deaths in AV a few days ago. But I also see people learning to deal with us. Our instant damage has been buffed up alot, but our squishiness hasn't. Once people learn that we need to be dealt with quickly then I don't think they'll be having as much of a issue. I feel it's as it should be.

I've done probably around 50 BGs as arcane (in S3/S4 btw) and dueled every class and spec I could think of. The two classes that I could see having the biggest issue now are locks and shams. Locks can only complain becuase they can't walk all over us anymore, and that's somthing they'll have to get used too. Shams lost the biggest, and probably only advantage they had, earth shock. They can no longer stop every other cast we do and that's really seeming to **** them off.

Warriors were always pretty easy but I find are actually a bit harder now. You can't get away with letting them get close to you as much as you used to. No more R1 frostbolt and /dance.

Ret is the same as warriors at the moment, if you can keep away from them it's cake, but let them come in 2 or 3 times and your done. Slow is your friend. I've seen rets run into a group of 2 or 3 people without fear, then run away from me. But after the next patch they'll be bubble-hearthers again I'm sure.

Rogues really arent much of a change for me. They were always a close fight as frost, always going down to the wire. Now we just have another spec to PVP with. Still about 50/50 for me. But they have cheat death, not cheat arcane barrage, which apperently hits harder then death.

The burst and slow really helps against druids, they can still hump poles but can't get away nearly as easy as they used to with slow. They are yet to see my trink/AP/PoM/fireball hitting them in the face though. Once they learn that 100% HP is good and 50% HP is death then they'll be back to their pole humping days. (although they are kind of a decent 2s partner now)

Shams went from a pre-3.0, frost spec, 30 sec fight to a post-3.0, arcane spec, 15 sec fight. They sucked at PVP then and they suck now (not dissing on the shams, my main is one so I do feel the pain)

Spriests are hard to come by in PVP gear on my server so I've really only faced them in BGs. But as far as I can tell I don't blow them up any harder and faster then I did as frost.

Fighting hunters is still a DPS war to see who can kill the other first. I guess a little eaiser now since I don't have to cast much save for arcane blast, but no pushback on that. It's like I have IV all the time now... but they have a pet, so ***** em.

Locks are fun now for a few reasons. First is I have WotF, trink, and IB. Second becuase they all speced into felguard. And third because their new shapeshift toy doesn't do crap for them against spells. But I hear they do better against rogues... so good for them.

I'v been thinking about arcane lately, more than I usually have. It's hard to abandon fire, but it can be fun to try new things.

Well bad thing now is that they're "heavily" considering nerfing slow in PvP. They're gonna make the duration 10 seconds.

Mages are next in line for the nerfbat, Boomkin are as well as both types burst damage far exceed anything a pally could do.

I just hope that they are not as rampant with your nerfs as they have been with Pallies, there have been about 28 nerfs in 2 weeks. :(


Mages do need nerfing, but not to the ground and below like pallies

They said that about pallies!!! don't tempt fate mate!!!

I'd like my mage to at least get to 70 before any nerfs!

What DarkHybrid said, besides frost geting nerfed (which was totally unesecary), arcane will stay the way it is and even if they nerf it they'd just have to unerf it at 80 or no one would touch it.

I'm not seeing alot of mage QQ. I'm seeing alot of pally QQ about mages (your post comes to mind), but mages don't really seem to be QQing all that much.

Also, as a Retadin, you should know that when blizz did their tests to check out rets, the did them at lvl 80. They have stated, many times I might add, that they are not using lvl 70 numbers to balance them out.



And Noone kicks ***.

There is a blue regarding changing mana drain and mana burn to reducing fixed percentages of mana instead of flat amounts. This way it will not seem like the spell is particularly useful against classes/specs with smaller mana pools.

I got a shaman alt and I go throw his mana pretty quickly. Only thing preventing OOM is watershield and prudent uses of Shamananistic rage. I personally can see how devastating mana burn will be on him. As far as PvE goes, mana management will be required and one cannot really just keep spamming all their spells as ret now with the 15% base mana return from replenishment.

What was OP is that any other class beside another paladin was just way to easy, if they didn't have their trinket or I survived 50 seconds, they would lose.

Even with the mana issue I can still faceroll other players, I do veiw myself as a better than most Ret, but not Faceroll anybody without Brutal Gladiator beside their name good.

The problem is in any real fight that drags on, I lose, I will lose, that's the problem with why we didn't work with a healer other than Disc (and even that is so Battlegroup specific that it's just insulting) in 2s.

I need mana to survive a 3-5 minute arena, and oh lawdy if i get CC'd when I need to judge, or I happen to fight a priest/warlock/hunter.

The burst solves this problem akwardly, the issue is still there, no one lives long enough to notice it.

(Can you link to the MB change? Not doubting you, but I'd like to see the numbers)

Downraters, your anger fuels me.


Anyway - I don't see whats OP about a melee class having an infinite amount of energy to use, Rogues, Warriors, Ench (to a lesser extent), Feral all have their boundless supply of smashface-juice. Mages, Locks, and other casters either have powerful regen or a good regen tool (Evocation could use a buff I think, make it heal without the Glyph) as well as a rather large amount of basemana.


The absoulute biggest problem is cleanse, that is a spell we have to use so often thats it's scary, any given Arena I can use cleanse 20x+ times, Not using anything but Cleanse and Judgement and I'd still be chugging along,


hell go to retpaladin.com or some other Ret source, reduce our burst, give us back CC and buffed mana regen (25%~, rather than 33%).

Arcane pvp has been fun.

Of course I'll spec back to frost for the grind, but I will miss these few days where my mage felt like a queen in pvp.

I specced arcane this weekend for KJ and for some PvP. When I was with a group I got almost all of the killing blows with a simple slow -> abarr -> fireblast and throwing in AM when missile barrage procced was great.