As a Prot spec warrior my stronger attacks are all within the Def stance, or are they? Are there times when I may be better off changes stances to get to other attacks, and can they be just as effective even though I have very few points in that particular tree?
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If your the instance guy stay prot.
Situations like what? Other attacks like ?
Imagine your shield as an offensive weapon ,not only as a defensive one. It does damage ... it crits ..it rocks...
Situations like what? Other attacks like ?
Imagine your shield as an offensive weapon ,not only as a defensive one. It does damage ... it crits ..it rocks...
Arreign wrote:
As a Prot spec warrior my stronger attacks are all within the Def stance, or are they?
As far as I know, Revenge, Shield Block, and Disarm are the only commonly used abilities that are specific to Defensive Stance. If you are tanking an instance, you want to stay in Defensive Stance for the bonus threat.
If you're soloing, you will probably find it situationally useful to use Battle Stance for Hamstring, Overpower, and Victory Rush (can't be used in Defensive Stance). With the Improved Defensive Stance talent, you might find it possible to stay in Defensive Stance and deal some respectable damage, especially if you have decent AP/crit, Glyph of Revenge, Glyph of Heroic Strike, and the Incite talent.
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Has anyone tried playing around with those glyphs and a build like this post-patch? I'd imagine with decent avoidance, you should be able to hit Revenge / Heroic Strike nearly constantly. :-) Probably not the most efficient build in the world, but it could be fun to try out now that they've buffed Revenge.
Only thing about your spec tab. Now mind you I'm not experienced war and you may shrug this off and laugh but that build is the same one you linked to me in a previous post. After extensive questioning I've found that imp rend is a waste of 2 points. And HS for prot....i rarely used before respeccing. I used shield block and revenge most of the time but that was before the patch. I chose to put 5/5 into deflection after reading a post by utarius. :D
The build was in some ways, but slanted towards Revenge/Heroic Strike damage (that's why I included those talents and not e.g., 2H Weapon Spec). It was more of a concept build -- get your Revenge CD down to 1 second, get the Glyph of Revenge, and spam the heck out of Revenge and Heroic Strike. With a 1H Axe, you've got +25% crit on Heroic Strike on top of your base rating, and Revenge deals some pretty decent dmg now.
I waffled on a lot of points when putting it together, including on taking Improved Revenge (decided against it, b/c of the stun).
As far as Improved Rend goes, TBH I was just using it to get deeper into the tree. Deflection probably is better.
I waffled on a lot of points when putting it together, including on taking Improved Revenge (decided against it, b/c of the stun).
As far as Improved Rend goes, TBH I was just using it to get deeper into the tree. Deflection probably is better.
As prot spec, I too find that I do more damage in Def than in zerker or battle. Revenge now does awesome damage, I've seen a few crits creep past 2k. Shockwave is also good, probably better than WW IMO (for prot, I mean. As it's based on weapon damage, a WW for me does like 2-400, whereas Shockwave is 700-1000).
Also, I've just started levelling a new warrior as alliance on a new server, and Def is definitely the place to be right now. My normal tactics are charge, switch to Def as I'm running in, hit Shield Block, and spam Revenge. With an axe and shield, my white hits are about 40 (this is at level 18 lol), while Revenge hits for 80-90.
Also, I've just started levelling a new warrior as alliance on a new server, and Def is definitely the place to be right now. My normal tactics are charge, switch to Def as I'm running in, hit Shield Block, and spam Revenge. With an axe and shield, my white hits are about 40 (this is at level 18 lol), while Revenge hits for 80-90.
In my opinion, you should stick in Defensive Stance as much as possible. The only time I've had to switch stances were on very rare occasions when I needed to intercept (warbringer/charge was on CD), or I needed to use Mocking Blow (which will probably never happen unless you have some overzealous healers/DPSers.
Meatballsub wrote:
The only time I've had to switch stances were on very rare occasions when I needed to intercept ... or I needed to use Mocking Blow
In patch 3.0.2, Blizzard changed Mocking Blow to allow you to use it while in Defensive Stance, so you shouldn't need to switch out for that anymore.
Oh, nice. I was Arms when 3.02 came out, so I guess I didn't catch that info like I should have. It is definitely good to know now though, thanks for the info.
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So the 3 points in tacticle mastery are a waste of points?
If you stay 99% in def stance then yes ,its a waste of talent points. If you go hybrid then no.
Yea tactical mastery is kinda useless if you're prot now.
Before we had to dance for charge/intercept/berserker rage, and pretty much only those 3.
Now prot warriors can charge in defensive stance, and berserker rage is usable in all stances (and in fights that do not fear should be up whenever rage appears to be slipping).
Anyways if you are tanking you are always in prot. the -10% damage taken and +threat are required for your damage to do any worthwhile amount of threat. you should never be switching out now, unless the oft chance of absolutely needing that extra intercept or mocking blow, which should never ever happen now.
you can solo in battle stance, you get overpower, but you lose shield block and disarm. shield block is great for spike damage so you could charge, SB, then dance to battle stance for your slam if you really wanted to.
personally, with the enrage talent i'd just stay in def. stance.
the damage down for soloing is good for downtime and aoe pulls.
for tanking always def. stance if you're prot. If you're arms tank then you still need to do some dancing.
Before we had to dance for charge/intercept/berserker rage, and pretty much only those 3.
Now prot warriors can charge in defensive stance, and berserker rage is usable in all stances (and in fights that do not fear should be up whenever rage appears to be slipping).
Anyways if you are tanking you are always in prot. the -10% damage taken and +threat are required for your damage to do any worthwhile amount of threat. you should never be switching out now, unless the oft chance of absolutely needing that extra intercept or mocking blow, which should never ever happen now.
you can solo in battle stance, you get overpower, but you lose shield block and disarm. shield block is great for spike damage so you could charge, SB, then dance to battle stance for your slam if you really wanted to.
personally, with the enrage talent i'd just stay in def. stance.
the damage down for soloing is good for downtime and aoe pulls.
for tanking always def. stance if you're prot. If you're arms tank then you still need to do some dancing.
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