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#1 Oct 28 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Quick and simple question for those of you playing a beta DK at the moment:

1) In you opinion, do you think a full purple gears lvl 80 DK with the right talents, will be the highest DPS (PvE) machine around? Basically a hero class. Taking into account the player has alot of experience playing WoW and know perfectly how to play the caracter.

Why I'm asking that? Because I have 3 lvl 70 toons and I'm not sure if I'm going to lvl one of those to 80 or if I'm going to lvl a DK to 80 knowing it will the most powerful caracter available.


Thanks in advance for your answer.

Gtap

#2 Oct 28 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not playing one at the moment, but I sure hope DK's aren't the number one pve damage dealer. There are classes out there that damage is their only role and they'd not likely be happy about that.

I think you're missing the point of a hero class. It's not that they are meant to be overpowered. Depending on your school of thought, it could just mean that it was one of the hero classes from wc3 (in which case the paladin would actually be the first one) or just that they start at level 55 in an epic starting area. By level 80, all classes should have some semblance of balance or the game's just not going to work.

(spare me the old xxx is OP nerdfights. Grass is always greener, and someone's always better than you at something)
#3 Oct 29 2008 at 2:00 AM Rating: Good
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Ideally, every dps class offers an equal amount of dps/group buffs. So far, Blizz has done a great job in balancing the classes and I'm confident they'll continue doing so.

There simply isn't and probably never will be 'a best class'.
#4 Oct 29 2008 at 2:16 AM Rating: Good
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It's not blizzard's intention to make hero classes stronger then other classes.
Hero classes start off at a higher level, because your an hero.
You start off with some fancy gear, a nice free mount and some cool looking spells.
That's mostly it.
#5 Oct 29 2008 at 7:44 PM Rating: Decent
gtap wrote:
Quick and simple question for those of you playing a beta DK at the moment:

1) In you opinion, do you think a full purple gears lvl 80 DK with the right talents, will be the highest DPS (PvE) machine around? Basically a hero class. Taking into account the player has alot of experience playing WoW and know perfectly how to play the caracter.

Why I'm asking that? Because I have 3 lvl 70 toons and I'm not sure if I'm going to lvl one of those to 80 or if I'm going to lvl a DK to 80 knowing it will the most powerful caracter available.


Thanks in advance for your answer.

Gtap


First a hero class has nothing to do with being the top dps. You are a hero class because you USED to be a hero of the horde/alliance. You USED to be. When you watch the DK starting video, it says that you were a former hero, and now you are a death knight. You start at level 55, get a free epic ground mount, congratulations. Know who else is a hero class? Paladin. The paladin has been a hero class in as many games as the death knight has.

Second, if you want to talk actual numbers, a good DK is better than an average warrior or something in terms of dps. Equal skill? I think if skill were perfectly equal (which it never is), then DK is one of the lowest single-target dpsers in the game with the current build. Is it one of the most powerful characters available? Current build? No, absolutely, hands-down, no. In the future? Eh, it might have the dps buffed some, but I doubt it will ever blow away any other pure dps class. If someone did top charts, that would be a demonstration of the player's skill way more than the class.

Third, even if you've played warcraft since day 1, you know absolutely nothing when it comes to death knight. The rune system is so absolutely unique, that you have to learn from scratch and can't bring much experience from other classes to the table. DKs center around a 3-4 skill rotation, which I'm not aware of any other class that is remotely like that. Most have 1-2 core abilities you use, with other skills you use when cooldowns are up. Even caster rotations typically aren't more than 2 different spells, much less 4. And if you ***** up the rotation? You impact the entire rest of your rotation.

You have runes to watch, you have RP to dump, you have cool downs to worry about, ALL IN ADDITION TO the stuff all normal melee classes have to worry about, such as not standing in fire. It's an advanced class, and there will be far more terrible DKs than actual good ones.
#6 Oct 31 2008 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
gtap wrote:
Why I'm asking that? Because I have 3 lvl 70 toons and I'm not sure if I'm going to lvl one of those to 80 or if I'm going to lvl a DK to 80 knowing it will the most powerful caracter available.

People who choose the class to play because it "will the most powerful caracter available" are pathetic.
#7 Oct 31 2008 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Isn't there someone on this forum who has it quoted in his sig?

"If there would be a 'most powerful class', everyone would play it."
#8 Oct 31 2008 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
Mozared wrote:
Isn't there someone on this forum who has it quoted in his sig?

"If there would be a 'most powerful class', everyone would play it."


I think someone quoted me saying that, but I haven't seen that in a while. I used to say that all the time when people would post in the general forum "I want to play the most powerful class, help me choose which to play" or something similar. One day I noticed someone had quoted me and put it in their sig. It always surprises me when someone quotes me... though it's only happened a couple of times.
#9 Nov 01 2008 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you all for your tought.

One precision, when I say " the most powerful caracter available", what I was actually thinking is, since this caracter is more complicated to play with compared to what's available today, does a highly skilled player (let's say 6 months from now) will be able to "relatively" outshine other more simple caracters (played by highly skilled players) when attacking multiples mobs at the same time in PvE?

I would prefer an answer from someone who actually played a DK for some time now and have a good feeling about it.

Thx again for your insight.

Gtap

BTW, I know that if a caracter outclass anything else, almost everybody would play it.
#10 Nov 02 2008 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
gtap wrote:
Thank you all for your tought.

One precision, when I say " the most powerful caracter available", what I was actually thinking is, since this caracter is more complicated to play with compared to what's available today, does a highly skilled player (let's say 6 months from now) will be able to "relatively" outshine other more simple caracters (played by highly skilled players) when attacking multiples mobs at the same time in PvE?

I would prefer an answer from someone who actually played a DK for some time now and have a good feeling about it.

Thx again for your insight.

Gtap

BTW, I know that if a caracter outclass anything else, almost everybody would play it.

I think that my 'lock is better at handling multiple mobs in PvE than my DK. However, I haven't explored EVERY DK Build (I started with frost, and never moved) and I've played a 'lock for so long that I feel very comfortable with the warlock class. Additionally, I try to avoid situations where I fight multiple mobs simultaneously unless they are lower level than me. When I've been playing a Death Knight for over three years, I'll probably feel comfortable with that, too.
#11 Nov 02 2008 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I have played a DK (didnt level it hardcore to 80 like some people, I basically dont have the time) but I can say that the current Unholy build is extremely strong in levelling on multi-mob pulls. I have no idea about lvl80 raiding but to be honest Mages and Warlocks are supposed to be the AoE classes really, having several powerful solutions to do so, I would be very surprised to see a DK outshine those classes on multiple targets.
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