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Question on 56/0/5 vs. 4/3/54 specs and in wolk.Follow

#1 Oct 28 2008 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
Here's my scenario, and Ill have my question at the end.

Pre-3.0.2 at 64 I was able to do around 500dps as SM/Ruin in Manatombs.
Post I decided to go with a lot of others have said was the best spec an went 56/0/5, DPS Plummets to around 365 in Manatombs, and this is at lvl 68ish as well.
Tired of having such low DPS I decidedto respec to pure fire destro. DPS Back up to 500+.
Still in Manatombs.

As 56/0/5 I was using the standard rotation:
SB>Haunt>COA>Corruption>UA>SB and haunts after that with dot refreshing.

As fire:
CoA>Corr>Immo>Incin>CB>Incin>Conflag

Question#1:
Was my aff rotation off? What would you have done differently?

#2: Does 56/0/5 really only shine on longer fights? Or WotLK? Cause as its stands, with a 100DPS loss I have no clue as to how Aff is supposed to out DPS Destro.

#3: Does Aff scale better with lvls therefor making it better at 80 vs 70?
#2 Oct 28 2008 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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First of all, how are you 68 with a 70 spec??? You must be missing points somewhere. Seeing as you have Haunt I assume it out of the 5 in Destro, which is Bane, which means you can't spam your SBs fast enough. If that's not where it is, please let us know as it's pertinent information.

You Affliction rotation looks ok, but where's Siphon Life in there? If your affliction you have it.

Really what I think it comes down too though is that your not 70, yet trying to compare lvl 70 builds. Just not gonna work.
#3 Oct 28 2008 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah, I didn't have full bane, but:

The reason I ask is does 5/5 bane really improve DPS that much? Im trying to find out for when I hit 70 so I know ahead of time, cause as I see it, I honestly don't believe full bane will increase DPS to match fire destro. Also I throw in SL when I can, as most of the time stuff is dead by the time I even get to UA lol.

Edited, Oct 28th 2008 2:12pm by TrogdorTheBurninatora
#4 Oct 28 2008 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, it lowers SB cast time, therefore you get more SBs in less time, therefore DPS increase.

Also, that is a boss rotation, on mobs if you try to DoT them up, yeah, you'll get less DPS. Destro is burst, Aff is over time. As Affliction, do not try to DoT every trash pull, just Haunt, maybe Corr since it's instant cast and SB away. Of course, w/o Bane you'll get less SBs than a Destro would get Incinerates, since they have the cast time reduction on thier main spell and you don't.

Edited, Oct 28th 2008 2:15pm by Lathais

Edited, Oct 28th 2008 2:16pm by Lathais
#5 Oct 28 2008 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
But enough to push an extra 100DPS?

A little more info:
I didn't respec till a bit after 68, switched and now I'm 69. Just waiting for 70 to pop my last talent into corruption.

Also, as pre-70, My gear isn't all that great for destro, and as I see it, with the spellpower changes, I forsee gear scaling for destro being better than for aff. Am I way off?
#6 Oct 28 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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100 DPS, probably not, but there are other factors also. Was the group make-up the same both times? Did you have a fire mage that was buffing your fire damage on your Destro run? RNG(Random Number Generator)?

You also have to look at the fact that as Affliction, due to the nature of it, you will do less DPS on trash than on bosses. That's how DoTs work. Are you comparing overall DPS, trash DPS or Boss DPS?

Edited, Oct 28th 2008 2:28pm by Lathais
#7 Oct 29 2008 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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could really use an armory link as well. Are you really high on crit and low on spell damage?

Speaking of, is the armory toast now? I haven't been able to look at it since I came back from Warhammer

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 7:55am by zebug
#8 Oct 29 2008 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent
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k, as said, you're lvl.68, so no offence but due to lacking in gear etc... your opinion on dps based from your own experiences kinda aren't that valid. firstly, 56/0/5 is good, and probably 'equal' to 0/3/58 (which is better than 4/3/54), afliction specs have ALWAYS been crappier on shorter fights and outside of raids in terms of dps due to requiring so many make dots to tick through and dps to 'slowely' increase as everything ticks through into pattern (give it a minute to reach your avg dps I'd say) while dest specs will start with high dps and then lower down to their avg as the fight carries on, hence why you're probably doing better in 5mans as dest.

in terms of 'top' dps at 70 (which won't be relevant for long) 0/46/15 is meant to be the top spec for us.

zebug, the armory is buggy for now and blizzard said they can't be bothered to fix it until wotlk comes out, so just live with it for now...
#9 Oct 29 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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thanks Jenovaomega

I am planning on reverting back to my leveling build from TBC(affliction) for the expansion simply for the zero downtime effect. I did respec at ~68ish to destro and really loved it so I bet I will do the same at 78ish. I finally took my lock out of bank-****** mode and went out to the Isle to test the new haunt and other talents....I'm in love once again. He will be my main for the expansion while my huntard starts to collect dust.
#10 Oct 29 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Just for Clarification Jenova, is this right for the 0/46/15 spec?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZbxczsgRq0sguZE00V
#11 Oct 29 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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nope, it's http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZ0xIzsgMq0sgzhZE00V
#12 Oct 29 2008 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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So the only thing I had wrong was Imp HS and Demonic Sacrifice in place of Imp VW and Demonic Tactics in place of Demonic Empathy. Ok, Demonic Empathy makes sense, but why Imp VW? You have Felguard.

EDIT: NVM, just saw that Imp VW is not Imp VW anymore. Same icon so I just looked over it originally.

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 4:54pm by Lathais
#13 Oct 29 2008 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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The amount of threat the voidwalker creates in the 0/46/15 is insane right now. I've been bringing him out in 5-mans and he'll pull agro off the tanks easily. It took a while but I solo'd the son of gruul above shatt with him. I'm trying to talk my guild into letting him tank Mags, I just need to grind some more stamina gear, 12,500 is't all that much for a tank.
#14 Oct 30 2008 at 2:48 AM Rating: Decent
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12.5k health is more than enough. you're forgetting that your pet only takes 20% damage from all aoe abilities, which are what usually do the majority of burst damage for bosses, also don't forget the 30% damage reduction from improved health funnel. tbh you could probably almost solo heal your pet in most encounters due to that ability and talent.. lol. but there's little point in him tanking, the threat is supposedly to 'OP' so the next content patch will adjust it to being alot less.

Edited, Oct 30th 2008 9:53am by Jenovaomega
#15 Oct 30 2008 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Link to 0/3/58? Am very interested in where those 4 points go.
#16 Oct 31 2008 at 3:00 AM Rating: Decent
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just check my armory link in my sig
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