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Lame I liked that I could get mana out of an AoE every once in a while... was there even a reason for this nerf?

Well I can understand that Moonkin nerf to a point. Under the right circumstances, I could regen most if not all of my mana back from a hurricane. This sounds like the Axe instead of the razor though.

I mean Hurricane is still a high mana cost spell.
Why can't we have a limit on mana regen? Say once every 2-3 secs? That would work into our wrath/starfire rotation pretty much anyway.
Or maybe put a limit on how many % you can get in a certain time.

I know this seems like more work for Blizzard, but Grrrrrr. They made the game, gimme a break. There was a reason they called them OOMkin...I'd rather not go back to that.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's not OP. That much mana regen is crazy, but I would still like to see some regen off it. I mean getting 2-4% total mana regen on a spell that is still pretty expensive would be nice. :P

Obviously will have to test it and see how much it hurts once it goes live.

I don't mind getting hit with the nerf bat from time to time, I just don't want them to crush us.

Prot warrior/feral druid + boomkin + lots of mobs = 0 downtime AoE grinding.

FTFY

Yea, I know Blizzard can crit also. It was for the sake of careful wording that I decided to just say "Hurricane can crit". I also knew that blizzard gets a debuff when talented, but its not as good as Hurricane's in a group environement plus, well, you need talent points for it



Very important actually. I'll make sure to fix that.



Yea somethings wrong with Alla's spell list. I was using theirs so people could just mouse over it and see the spell details, but I guess I will have to use links to wowhead. Oh, and last I checked Starfall isnt there either. Think I should PM an Admin about that.

Edited, Oct 27th 2008 9:26pm by Setai

The aoekin part is not a nerf. The mana regen was to much on that spell from all accounts.

I am more concerned with the Tigers Fury nerf as cat form DPS scaled poorly to great degree in tBC and I would be sad if that happened again. It being to a hard integral number shouldn't be that bad scaling wise.

Overall, I am happy with the way the expansion is shaping up. Can't wait to get to Northrend. :)

true, after a fashion. a moonkin with a healer can aoe non-stop as mana (currently) is no object. a warlock cant aoe non-stop, as theyll either have to wait for the felpuppy mana regen to tick back their mana, or use a number of GCD's (and therefore time) life tapping.

a druid with hurricane doesnt do that; theres a good chance a druid will go on endlessly in terms of mana regen, never having to spare more time than it takes to use an innervate, and definetely not waiting multiple GCD's + heal time, or having to sit out for several seconds waiting for mana to tick back. when youre talking aoe packs in a raid group, then the time thats saved from constant tapping, drinking, adds up to a pretty significant amount. youre talking anywhere from ten to thirty minutes shaved off of an average raid, depending on the circumstances. when you figure youll be doing said raid at least once a week every week for several weeks at a stretch, saving a total of 5-20 hours in time makes a BIG difference. big enough that it caused blizzard to say "lets nip this in the bud before it gets real bad".

thats my take on it anyway, that and the true equality perspective.

Hurricane can do that too :D

Perhaps I've just been incredibly lucky, but I can't recall a post-patch Hurricane that didn't proc OoC. Mana isn't much of an issue when the 'cane is free. Has anyone else experienced this?

edit: or maybe you Boomkins don't spec for OoC? I'm resto, so I didn't even consider that.

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 6:55pm by AynLoD

ok, so, at 80 itll be a pretty reasonable assumption to say that most, if not all raiding boomkins will be grabbing OoC. everyone on this board knows the value of OoC, especially now that it procs off of any effect, not just melee attacks.

hence, i think we can reasonably assume that blizzard removed the mana return from aoe as a preparation for level 80. better they do it now than during any actual "real" raiding done in the xpac.

Blizzard is cleaning up the balance tree as well, consolidating talents down from 5 to 3. Earth and Moon and Vengeance I believe are two of them being downsized in the next patch. So, having more talents available pre wotlk will happen. No, the 4 points you will get back won't be enough to get you OOC w/o spec'ing rather sparingly in balance but it will be enough to push talents into things that I believe are utterly necessary. IE: Imp IS for the crit to SF from MF.

But otherwise yes, I do believe having OOC proc off of hurricane causing your next one to be free will be possible.

And Quor, if a boomkin at 80 didn't have OOC... Well, that's just plain sad.

yeah i've ran into a few problems with starfall about only time i use it is sure aoe spots like my h. the mobs in ramps where you go up the winding ramp and there are like 5 casters with 1 non caster. sometimes i'll toss out on bosses just for ***** and grins to up some damage since it's instant cast.