I've been looking around for a bit and I'm yet to find them. After all the "Ret is OP" talk I would figure that it would be just a matter of time before we see the mage ones and get smacked around with the nerf bat again.
Untill then.....
With full S3/S4 gear going deep arcane... PVP is amazing. Teamed up with a ret pally and went 21-1 last night. The amount of damage you can do while running around instant spamming (it's like your a lock.. now i see why people play them) is amazing. Is this just me or has anyone else gone PVPing with arcane and seeing the *** kicking?
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Im not big into PvP and haven't tested Arcane yet. So how does it work out? you pop AP and then do arcane barrage, fireblast, pom pyro?
You can't have PoM Pyro with the 51 point talent "Arcane Barrage" in your build before level 71. However, you can go PoM Arcane Blast, or PoM Frostbolt, and rotate Barrage/Fireblast/Ice Lance/Arcane Missles as cool downs permit.
Arcane Barrage rocks hardcore. More damage than fire blast, for less mana, with faster recharge.
71 being an awkward level pvp-wise, I'm thinking we won't really hear much about PoM Pyro Mages with Arcane Barrage until people start hitting 80. By then, maybe we'll fly under the radar a bit. I really hope so. PoM Pyro + Arcane Barrage will be lots of fun.....
Arcane Barrage rocks hardcore. More damage than fire blast, for less mana, with faster recharge.
71 being an awkward level pvp-wise, I'm thinking we won't really hear much about PoM Pyro Mages with Arcane Barrage until people start hitting 80. By then, maybe we'll fly under the radar a bit. I really hope so. PoM Pyro + Arcane Barrage will be lots of fun.....
The resistance you have with arcane shielding coupled with Torment the weak 12% dmg bonus and slow are Uber. Being able to move while hitting people for 2k+ while they are slowed 60% movement and casting time is hard to beat.
The PVP rotation i'm using at the moment is to open up with slow first off. Then arcane barrage, fire blast, ice lance, barrage. ect. Once missile barrage procs i'll pop a AP/trink/PoM/fireball, the fast AM, then a arcane barrage again. All those with the trink and AP just own.
Went to IDQ today to try and stir up some s%#t with alliance. Took on a war/pally combo a few times in the naga area and just owned them. From what I can tell from my pally friends is that arcane mages give them the hardest time. Slow really messes with them since you can just reapply at will.
Your still really squishy but with the ability to run around and still DPS it kinda makes up for the lack of ice barrier and double IB in frost.
Went to IDQ today to try and stir up some s%#t with alliance. Took on a war/pally combo a few times in the naga area and just owned them. From what I can tell from my pally friends is that arcane mages give them the hardest time. Slow really messes with them since you can just reapply at will.
Your still really squishy but with the ability to run around and still DPS it kinda makes up for the lack of ice barrier and double IB in frost.
If you are looking for enjoyable QQ posts, go to wow-Europe PvP and Mage Forums.
Go to wow.com and look at the mage threads. They want to take away ice lance procing brain freeze so people won't fish for procs. I don't think they're gonna nerf the arcane tree, but i haven't looked in a while...besides, paladins already got hit with the nerf bat, and there's more to come.
They already nerfed the proc from ice lance. It's only chill spells now.
I am using arcane for PVP although I am S2/rep epics/Kara epics geared. I don't do PVP just BG's and from my exp 1 on 1 if the person I am against has similar gear I can usually win. however most of the time Its 2 or 3 after me with 15k hp (I have about 9200). Apparently I am the only person who knows how to Defend anything in the Battlegrounds so I usually die when 2 or 3 hit the base.
I can't take hardly any paladin now of course thanks to being OverPowered now.
I can't take hardly any paladin now of course thanks to being OverPowered now.
Hi
Pallys are OP as well but not hard for arcane mages with slow.
As far as the nerfing goes yes, ice lance won't proc anything after next patch.. so looks like i'm sticking with arcane for a while now.
A blue post talking about the "OPness" of arcane, however, had some good news. They don't want to nerf arcane barrage at all... instead then want the BUFF arcane blast. Make the cast time shorter to be able to spam between the arcane barrage CD is a option they are looking into. I'm sure it won't hit as hard but it would still be a nice upgrade.
Edited, Oct 26th 2008 1:35pm by DarkHybridX
As far as the nerfing goes yes, ice lance won't proc anything after next patch.. so looks like i'm sticking with arcane for a while now.
A blue post talking about the "OPness" of arcane, however, had some good news. They don't want to nerf arcane barrage at all... instead then want the BUFF arcane blast. Make the cast time shorter to be able to spam between the arcane barrage CD is a option they are looking into. I'm sure it won't hit as hard but it would still be a nice upgrade.
Edited, Oct 26th 2008 1:35pm by DarkHybridX
Yea boomkins and prot warriors are really powerful to. Reason people arent paying much attention to balance/arcane/prot is because retribution is just that powerful. Those guys are ridiculous...
Well they did get nerfed "to the ground" kinda. Check out what GC says here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=23233.msg380461;topicseen#new
Heres why arcane is OP lol -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq4ZtEwO4HE
Watch the whole thing in high quality.
Edited, Oct 30th 2008 12:11am by mikelolol
Watch the whole thing in high quality.
Edited, Oct 30th 2008 12:11am by mikelolol
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They already nerfed the proc from ice lance. It's only chill spells now.
Are you saying that Ice Lance doesn't proc Brain Freeze anymore? Last I checked it still did. I know it doesn't proc a chill effect, but I'm certain it proc's BF, so...please explain what you meant.
In the next patch it won't work anymore.
Hmm, well I do not really know why so many ppl, even mages think that arcane would be the reason why mages are OP, if they are after all.
As arcane, I sure do have a lot of burst damage, as well as being able to do around 1k dps to other players just spamming instant casts, but let me tell you something: half of the stuff you can do as arcane mage is just mediocre for PvP. If you are hopping around in the background, getting of your AP/POM fireball, arcane barrage and a fireblast, followed by an arcane barrage, it might look very nice what you see on the screen, but after all you're rather screwed If you encounter 2 geared enemys at once, unlike if you were playing frost. I am not saying arcane is bad for PvP, but without the 2 min CDs you have very little Burst-sprees at hand. You do not a have any shattercombo, or deep freeze, to put down an undisturbed 3 IL crits in a row, geting a brain freeze procc after. As frost I can pretty much Beat any class, including Retpallys and rogues.
I do thing that mages are very strong in PvP atm, with the gear and some skill, but rather as frosties than as arcane mages. Arcane mages are just plainly down too fast to live up to their full potential.
And the reason for ppl not whining about mages is imo, that mages can actually beat any other class, but retri pallys can do so, while 5 other players are biting their teeth out on their bubble, while they still put out incredible burst, which is something mages can't do. 5 enemies and you are pretty screwed, and sure as hell won't score the kill anymore, that a retpala would have taken.
As arcane, I sure do have a lot of burst damage, as well as being able to do around 1k dps to other players just spamming instant casts, but let me tell you something: half of the stuff you can do as arcane mage is just mediocre for PvP. If you are hopping around in the background, getting of your AP/POM fireball, arcane barrage and a fireblast, followed by an arcane barrage, it might look very nice what you see on the screen, but after all you're rather screwed If you encounter 2 geared enemys at once, unlike if you were playing frost. I am not saying arcane is bad for PvP, but without the 2 min CDs you have very little Burst-sprees at hand. You do not a have any shattercombo, or deep freeze, to put down an undisturbed 3 IL crits in a row, geting a brain freeze procc after. As frost I can pretty much Beat any class, including Retpallys and rogues.
I do thing that mages are very strong in PvP atm, with the gear and some skill, but rather as frosties than as arcane mages. Arcane mages are just plainly down too fast to live up to their full potential.
And the reason for ppl not whining about mages is imo, that mages can actually beat any other class, but retri pallys can do so, while 5 other players are biting their teeth out on their bubble, while they still put out incredible burst, which is something mages can't do. 5 enemies and you are pretty screwed, and sure as hell won't score the kill anymore, that a retpala would have taken.
Yeah, it's still about surviving. I really dunno why anyone would be whining, though. From my experience, and I'm not a hard core pvper, it's very similar to how it was before, in that I can take most anyone IF I get the first shot/see them first. However, I've found that we can do some serious damage if we're left to our own devices off to the side of the fight, which is easier to do than it used to be. In other words, if they don't like it, come kill us. We're over here. :) That's not OP, IMO.
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