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Hi rogues,
I saw all these amazing numbers being posted for dps in the likes of 2.5k and I decided to see what mine is....it wasn't 2.5k

Let me start off with some info:
thats my build:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khaz+Modan&n=Arthemis

the armory is not updated as of the day i am writing this, but actually i am 51/5/5 ( the standard wotlk muti build ) and i have both badge daggers (serration and mutiliator) with mongoose

now the dps on the Master dummy lvl 70 = 1270 - my ultimate maximum = it was sustained for over 3-4 min, then i got bored.
usually i do 1150 on the same dummy though - i dunno how i got to 1270, prolly many crits...for 3-4 min :)

Anyways, when i was combat i had like 850 on the same dummy so its a big improvement...

I have been playing rogue for a while, i know the rotations, so AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG OR NO?
ppl with much worse equip post dps of 2500....the max i hit in raids ( buffed with 2 rows of buffs :)) was 1400 something...

PLS some help would be appreciated

PS. I count ONLY sustained DPS = dont tell me u got 2.5k dps off an ambush crit with 2 muti crits and a an envenom crit ( in between taking energy drink )

Honestly if your dps is that low your not doing something right, and not telling us what rotation your using while your asking what your doing wrong is stupid



The highest dps weapons for mutilate to date is fast/fast

I'm just going to assume your using IP/DP (please don't tell me otherwise)

And for some reason armory isn't working for me right now so I can't tell your gear level. But with my gear I get about 1.8k-2.2k dps on most fights.

Edit: since I can't see your armory, I can't tell your gems but you should be gemming for Agi over hit

Edited, Oct 19th 2008 1:37pm by XxwrathofcarbunclexX

Oh and yes my gear is PVP, you have about 250 AP more...i have more crit

Is it cuz of the crit rating then? Mine is 87(for pvp its fine) but i bet urs is way up, however the stupid dummy is lvl 70, i dont even miss on it

OK let me put the question in another way by giving some info:

First of all i have been in not more then 15 raids (many many heroics however), moreover these raids have been only the SSC, Gruul, Kara and ZA - thats it.
thats even before wotlk

Anyways, on any of these raids, there have been obviously other characters - hunters, locks , wars....

The top dps that i have seen in the before mentioned raids was around 1500 by shamys and mages.

The best rogue dps i have seen was 1150. The guy didnt have Slayer pieces or any t6 gear (why would he be it THAT raid otherwise)

Anyways, where i am going is that it is IMPOSSIBLE that Bliz decided "you know what lets DOUBLE the DPS of the AVERAGE rogues just for the hell of it" (i know they did that with pally but thats a different question)

So I am asking what is the DPS of the AVERAGE rogue ( not some 4,6,8/8 slayer + t6 weapons = 2000 AP in PVE spec - on my server thats not common)?
And if it is more than 1500 ( i can get there with raid buffs) pls tell me the secret formula :)

Edited, Oct 19th 2008 2:27pm by ArthemisEntreri

The armory I saw has you spec'd Combat (with only 83 hit, for shame!) in what might be PvP gear. Anyway, I'm showing ~2300 sustained DPS (meter screen shot here) in t6. When I was on beta in my badge/t4 gear I was showing upwards of ~1850ish in my tests (~1500 was my low).

You may just have a few little things combining to keep you from your potential. The EJ WotLK epic thread is long, but very worth a read. Regardless, some tips for Mutilate:

1. Get over the specials hit cap (which I want to say is currently 142 (9% x 15.77, rounded) which will significantly improve poison and Mutilate damage. Shooting for the Expertise cap isn't a bad idea either, but capping that might be problematic until later raiding.

2. Never let SnD drop, ever, ever, never, ever (you get the idea ;)

3. Same with HfB.

4. Without the Rupture glyph (available in WotLK), the 4+r/4+n cycle works fine.

5. Enchanting and gemming for Agi is a great idea after you take care of #1 above.

6. Never let SnD drop. Ever.

7. Be flexible with your "rotation." The offset timers for SnD and HfB combined with the unpredictable nature of combo point generation require that you pay more attention and keep on your toes more than in a Combat spammalicious style.

8. Finally, get the spreadsheet. You'll be glad you did.

Hope my long-winded reply helps. If anyone has anything to add (or correct!) please do. Good luck!

I'm actually pleased to say that Combat and Mutilate do about the same DPS with equally geared rogues.

Both my Muti Rogue Guildy and I were floating around 1.3k DPS last night in BT.

New personal best is 2k DPS on Teron!

OP, i find something of the same thing as you when it comes to dps numbers... I do great dps compared to

my

raid but they have always been low to numbers posted on Alla. Even now my numbers wont hit 3.3k etc just because me nor the raid has the gear and large number of toons that do high dps.

What I mean is on Thurs night in BT, Gorefiend was 2:09 min long. My final DPS was 2174, second to a hunter who somehow put out 500 more. Now, you look at groups that can kill gorefiend in 1:28 and every toon in that raid will have 3k DPS plus.

On the dummies in IF, I was putting out about 1485 avg DPS with 5/51/5 badge fist weapons with DP MH and IP OH ust DPS using 5s/5r/5e. My Spreadsheet DPS unbuffed shows 1478 DPS. I assume I'm not doing anything wrong in raid but when i view other guilds logs, I see rogues with such higher dps, even some geared similar, but with a better overall geared raid. So I have to attribute the difference in numbers to the boss kill time. If I'm wrong, I'm sure a few will say so, in a very kind manner.

Quick question, how does hit apply now in WotLK patch?
Before hit was the best stat to get (assuming you werent in front of a mob), and now therion you're saying just 9% is enough for mut spec. Should hit not be prioritized as much as it was in tBC?

thats what i thought, thanks therion

There are dummies in IF and SW on Live. lvl 60, 70 and 80 dummies. I dont know where in SW, but in IF they are across from the bg queue spot.

http://www.wowhead.com/?search=dummy#npcs

Anyone else see the irony in the request and what we are searching for?

There's this great talent that a lot of people posess called deductive reasoning. It works something like this:

Forum poster one mentions there are practice dummies that you can beat up on.
You ask for location.
Forum poster two says they are in IF and SW and tells you where they are in IF.
You ask for wowhead.
I post wowhead link.

This is where you stray from the process.

You need to look at a couple of the diffent things on the posted link.
Some of the dummies on the list show they are yellow (can be attacked, non agressive). Some are even (/gasp) aggessive.
The locations on the link posted are spread out through the world (of warcraft).

So, this talent known as deductive reasoning tells you that through out the world (of warcraft) there are various target dummies that you can practice on, and that wowhead doesn't have a whole lot of info on them, but you get the basic idea. That, plus the one poster telling you where the stupid things are in IF, tells you they aren't too hard to find.

Christ, I feel like I have been reading too many of Theo's posts lately.

There can never be enough of my posts.