Protadin Sword post 3.0Follow

1. yes
2. potency or mongoose are both good

I'm trying to get that sword as well, AFK between runs and the things not dropping for me ~_~

A real dps wpn(mace or sword if you're human) is vastly superior to spell power wpns now. However, a 2.7spd wpn seems very slow, especially for stacking SoV quickly. Potency is probably the best threat enchant atm, and will definitely be once we get SotR since str increases our block value. Mongoose is decent, 2% haste, 4ish% crit and 6ish% dodge every proc helps avoidance and threat. If you don't want to spend much deathfrost seems to be decent atm as well, as its proccing off of SoV ticks and can proc multiple targets with HotR.

That, Hammer of the Righteous is based on weapon DPS, and most of your abilities scale on AP as well as SD.

I'm keeping my spell power weapon for now, though. I won't be finding a DPS weapon better than 245 spell power unless I pug a T5+ raid.

In a different thread someone commented that weapon speed will not be nearly as big a factor anymore. One thing I noticed recently is with my mana.

I have Hammer of Judgement, but like the OP, I recently picked up the Horseman's Blade (no other takers, so figured why not). I have enjoyed the higher damage from Hammer of the Righteous as well as my bigger white hits, and haven't noticed a huge drop or gain in threat overall (though I admit more testing needs to be done).

Fighting the Horseman and using my Hammer I was never oom at all. I could keep every ability on CD and my mana wouldn't drop below 75% or so, using SoV/JoW. Same group, and after I got the Horseman's Blade, I decided to put that on and try it out. I couldn't keep my mana up above 50% even changing to SoW/JoW.

Yes I know, the Horseman's Blade is not a tank weapon, but it shows the importance of still having something more on the fast side. Probably 2 sec will be the best speed to shoot for. I will be using my Hammer until an actual tank weapon comes into my possession, and you can be sure I'll be looking out for something more on the faster side :)

Mongoose or Potency would be the best tank sword enchant. Savagery is 2H only, and Executioner would only help your normal melee attack damage, the least important part of your threat.

It seems to me that the IDEAL Pally tanking sword would have ALL of the following attributes:

Reasonable speed (<2.5 for sure)
GOOD dps value (much higher than 41.3)
Strength
Stamina
Defense/Avoidance Stats

Spell damage would be nice as well, but not absolutely necessary. Hammer of Righteousness does 3x weapon damage as HOLY damage and has a short cooldown, so you can use it all of the time to keep threat up. As far as enchants, I could see Paladins choosing to use a Spellpower Enchant on their weapon still for increased threat without having to rely on a proc though.

I am still using my spellpower weapon with spellpower enchant for now, but I will be looking for a sword or mace more like what I described above when WOTLK comes out. It will be interesting to see what is available. With my feeble 41.3 DPS weapon right now, my Hammer of Righteousness still hits 3 targets for 450-550 damage each, and I have seen it crit targets for over 1000, so I don't consider that too bad in my mostly-Kara gear.

Edit: Last night for fun I switched to The Horseman's Blade for the Black Stalker fight at the end of H UB, but it was mostly for fun and just so I could watch the pumpkin soldiers attack the Black Stalker. We didn't reset the recount meter before the fight, so I do not know if I did a ton more damage compared to my usual tanking sword, but watching the pumpkins punk on the Black Stalker was worth it.

Edited, Oct 22nd 2008 11:05am by jeromesimina

I'm using Heartless with Potency on it over my old Amani Punisher and it works like a charm. Stacks Seal of Corruption well enough, as well.

Unless the tooltip is incorrect(and i know it is incorrect in that it says 3x wpn dps, but is really 4x), HotR does 4x mh wpn dps not wpn dam. So a fast wpn is still preferable, but really doesn't matter much. You want the highest dps wpn with the most threat or most avoidance stats you can find. Preferably one of each, potency on the threat wpn, mongoose or potency on the avoidance one. Currently using the fastest, highest dps sword available to pallys in the game(blade of savagery). Seeing HotR hits for 1k(crits for 2k) in my threat set.

Edited, Oct 24th 2008 6:33pm by mahlerite

hmm, I think you're right actually. i'd forgotten that it was 4x weapon dps not weapon damage. in that case you're right that you'd just want the highest dps weapon you can get... ty for the correction.

An old post, but still relevant: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=80451263&postId=801965516&sid=1#0

Essentially, Reckoning works just as well with any weapon speed of 2.0 or greater.

Edit: Finally dug up the post i was looking for, here: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=2;mid=122357847039801803;page=1;howmany=50#m1223881074127364146 Since the patch i've been using the Merc. Slicer with Potency, and it's been working great. Great threat generation and nice damage for solo questing/dailies, the best of both worlds ;)

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 1:32pm by ThePizzaKing

I still don't quite get the high DPS weapon thing.

Hammer of the Righteous does more damage based on your weapon's tooltip DPS. Everything else works with spell power.

200 spell power gives Consecration nearly 25 more DPS, which is then 47.5 TPS just from RF. Using a 90 DPS weapon over that 41 DPS weapon is an extra 200 damage every 6 seconds, which is 63 TPS just from RF.

But that 90 DPS warrior tank weapon probably has stam, defense, hit, expertise. It doesn't buff the damage from Consecration, Avenger's Shield, Holy Shield, Seal of Vengeance/Corruption, Hammer of Wrath, Exorcism or Holy Wrath. It doesn't help anything but HotR.

I need to see some math...

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 3:00pm by Ehcks

That graph can't be right.

How can three weapons be listed as better than S2, and none of them are S3 or S4?

Edit: I mean, sure, who's gonna gear up a prot paladin with arena points? But if you're gonna make a graph that shows the best of all other available TPS weapons, you might as well do those too. S3 and S4 Slicer and Gavel.. Especially the gavel, since you could be getting that for holy.

Edited, Oct 29th 2008 4:28pm by Ehcks

I have a sun eater with Mongoose on it. I just recently hit 70 and I am still working on getting gear. I been asking around and my suneater beats out a spell power weapon by atleast 200+ none crits/ HoTR can be used every 6 secs. I have had little to no problems holding hate. I use judgements and seals to add alittle extra help here and there, but its not needed. and the nice thing about HotR is it is holy damage. 200+ more spell power might add 25 more dps to Conc. but when your doing 200+ more holy damage every 6 secs it beats out 25 more dps = 150 over 6 secs . And that is if HoTR doesnt Crit. I Have seen it Crit often, then again I have seen it get deflected also.

a faster damaging weapon helps with using seals though for mana,health, or holy dps.

Hope this helps.